sne Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Pukki was at Sevilla, Schalke, Celtic and Bröndby and has been playing international football for Finland for more than a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Well that's just one example the rest of them all first made their names in the championship before doing well at premier league level. You could even argue that the same is true for Pukki despite the clubs he played for beforehand, that much is logical when you consider he wouldn't have even have ended up at Norwich in the championship with no money to spend if he had done anything noteworthy beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Brentfordnylons said: Watkins has the appearance of a pretty boy but he’s as tough as old boots doesn’t get wound up is rarely booked or injured.Over the years seen the likes of Gray,Hogan ( very good for us but over only 30 games )Vibe and Maupay and Oli is by far the better all round player.My only concern would be that the few times he played as striker under Dean he was ineffective but I’m sure he has studied how Thomas has got the best out of him.This isn’t a dig at Dean as Maupay was our first choice striker and we set up a lot different these days.Theres no certainties when you are paying 50 mill for a striker in the PL but at around 20 mill plus add ons it’s a fair gamble. Do you think playing him wide for first 10 games might help him settle in, how was he for you wide in the front 3? I just don't want to give him the pressure of having to score immediately which he'd get if he started the season as our CF although perhaps he has the mentality in which he'd thrive with that pressure. Just looking at his first season in championship in 17/18 and he scored once in his first 8 games although I haven't looked to see if he started them all and if he was central or wide. Picked up afterwards but still only 10 goals in his first season although that's not bad if he was primarily out wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) Just had a look and Tammy in his first prem season at Swansea scored 5 goals. Vardy in his first prem season at Leicester in 14/15 scored 5 goals. Ashley Barnes at Burnley in 14/15 scored 5 goals. Josh King in 15/16 scored 6 goals. Even Benteke in his first season only had about 3 goals up to January but we could all see his potential from games like Liverpool away. Really the ones that come up need a good 6-12 months to get to grips with the extra pace, the quicker and stronger CBs and generally how the play is quicker. That's why I can't understand if we sign Watkins and make him the main CF straight away, would be under insane pressure to hit the ground running and I think that got to Wesley a bit when he needed to be eased in more. Then hopefully Watkins will get going from December onwards but it'll be nice to have the insurance of a more proven striker even if it's just a season long loan. Edited August 30, 2020 by VillaChris 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeps Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: That's why I can't understand if we sign Watkins and make him the main CF straight away, would be under insane pressure to hit the ground running and I think that got to Wesley a bit when he needed to be eased in more. Agreed. We defo need another striker to come in with Ollie. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayk Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Even Benteke in his first season only had about 3 goals up to January but we could all see his potential from games like Liverpool away. Huh? If you include cup games he’d scored 6 by January ...and this included two that he scored in Liverpool away game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Its quite funny that this thread is nearly a third of the Rashica one and this is the actual player we will be buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Nothing is certain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 7 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Its quite funny that this thread is nearly a third of the Rashica one and this is the actual player we will be buying. Are we? It has been a month and we still haven't met the fee Brentford are actually demanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 8 hours ago, VillaChris said: Just had a look and Tammy in his first prem season at Swansea scored 5 goals. Vardy in his first prem season at Leicester in 14/15 scored 5 goals. Ashley Barnes at Burnley in 14/15 scored 5 goals. Josh King in 15/16 scored 6 goals. Even Benteke in his first season only had about 3 goals up to January but we could all see his potential from games like Liverpool away. Really the ones that come up need a good 6-12 months to get to grips with the extra pace, the quicker and stronger CBs and generally how the play is quicker. That's why I can't understand if we sign Watkins and make him the main CF straight away, would be under insane pressure to hit the ground running and I think that got to Wesley a bit when he needed to be eased in more. Then hopefully Watkins will get going from December onwards but it'll be nice to have the insurance of a more proven striker even if it's just a season long loan. Surely how he deals with pressure comes into play when you buy him. Forwards are judged on goals and he'll need to deliver them. Whether its dealing with pressure on day 1 or following a 5-6 game streak without a goal we have to be confident he can deal with that. None of us can control the pressure and expectation he will face therefore its essential he can deal with it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentfordnylons Posted August 31, 2020 Visiting Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2020 8 hours ago, VillaChris said: Do you think playing him wide for first 10 games might help him settle in, how was he for you wide in the front 3? I just don't want to give him the pressure of having to score immediately which he'd get if he started the season as our CF although perhaps he has the mentality in which he'd thrive with that pressure. Just looking at his first season in championship in 17/18 and he scored once in his first 8 games although I haven't looked to see if he started them all and if he was central or wide. Picked up afterwards but still only 10 goals in his first season although that's not bad if he was primarily out wide. I am sure if you are paying that sort of money you play him as a striker and let him progress as one.As some have pointed out on here most strikers need a season under their belt before you get what you paid for.Looks like Toney has been confirmed now for us which I’m very happy about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Brentfordnylons said: I am sure if you are paying that sort of money you play him as a striker and let him progress as one.As some have pointed out on here most strikers need a season under their belt before you get what you paid for.Looks like Toney has been confirmed now for us which I’m very happy about. Where are these players getting confirmed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 8 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Its quite funny that this thread is nearly a third of the Rashica one and this is the actual player we will be buying. Are we though? 35 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Are we? It has been a month and we still haven't met the fee Brentford are actually demanding. Could be this summers Maupay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 41 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Are we? It has been a month and we still haven't met the fee Brentford are actually demanding. You take the reports too literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Brentfordnylons said: I am sure if you are paying that sort of money you play him as a striker and let him progress as one.As some have pointed out on here most strikers need a season under their belt before you get what you paid for.Looks like Toney has been confirmed now for us which I’m very happy about. Interesting question, but if you could pick one to have up top out of Maupay and Watkins, who would it be? Same question for @jonjon Edited August 31, 2020 by Delphinho123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 8 hours ago, VillaChris said: Just had a look and Tammy in his first prem season at Swansea scored 5 goals. Vardy in his first prem season at Leicester in 14/15 scored 5 goals. Ashley Barnes at Burnley in 14/15 scored 5 goals. Josh King in 15/16 scored 6 goals. Even Benteke in his first season only had about 3 goals up to January but we could all see his potential from games like Liverpool away. Really the ones that come up need a good 6-12 months to get to grips with the extra pace, the quicker and stronger CBs and generally how the play is quicker. That's why I can't understand if we sign Watkins and make him the main CF straight away, would be under insane pressure to hit the ground running and I think that got to Wesley a bit when he needed to be eased in more. Then hopefully Watkins will get going from December onwards but it'll be nice to have the insurance of a more proven striker even if it's just a season long loan. Think you're overthinking it. Watkins will be coming as main CF and will be the player we look to get goals. If he doesn't then Wesley may get another chance. Let's not forget though that Wesley has never scored the goals that Watkins has - even when playing at a comparable or lower level than the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nick76 Posted August 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, hippo said: Watkins will be coming as main CF and will be the player we look to get goals I think we’ll struggle then this season, he’s good but shouldn’t be our main striker. He should the 2nd of our two strikers this season. Too much of a risk. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, nick76 said: I think we’ll struggle then this season, he’s good but shouldn’t be our main striker. He should the 2nd of our two strikers this season. Too much of a risk. Which striker would you buy that wouldn’t be a risk then as our number 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Toney announced for Brentford. Let's see how fast this thing moves. Still think Toney was worth a go ourselves tbh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 21 minutes ago, hippo said: Think you're overthinking it. Watkins will be coming as main CF and will be the player we look to get goals. 7 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Which striker would you buy that wouldn’t be a risk then as our number 1? For the big money mentioned for this guy and Edouard, I would sooner splash the cash on a proven PL goalscorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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