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I think if he can demonstate that a few players have significantly improved, he will get time.....they will see, things can get better I have seen no one improve under his tutelage.....its not good guys. bumping along, much like Bruce, will not save him.

I am tired of listening to these manager philosophies....what's Darren Moores philosophy?.....what's Chris Wilders Philosophy?....What's Lee Johnsons Philosophies. They just build balanced teams......players who can defend and players who can attack. They all work their nuts off and don't get physically out played. Its so damn obvious its untrue.......we are a million miles away from anything that resembles balanced.

I think he does need time, within reason. However, I don't think the Brentford Model will work with us.....I don't see us going up without a discerning view on defence.....I mean, the whole team having an ability to defend.....See Man U last night or Albion against us. I think there will be much scrutiny, in what happens between now and the end of the season.....and opinions behind the scenes will be made....Its not a question of whats fair and whats not.....if Dean presides over a similar run in his first 14' he may not be given the time or opportunity to try and improve it.

That may well be so.....but if his future is based on the Blues game......we are well and truly ****ed.......The criteria for him staying or going, needs to be more sophisticated than that.

If we carry on with results like we have had....He won't be given time IMO. Its tricky, but that's what I think will happen....Long gone are the days of Fergie and his 5 years. Owners want to see something. I hope Dean makes it....but he needs to show them something.

In our case yes, but not to many clubs in our league.

Yeah, I see the context of your point ,sorry.

That's true. But they are Pro's and they have to make it somewhere else....there is personal pride.....I think some of them would throw the towel in at the slightest thing.

There are plenty of examples where that is simply not so. Check out Norwich's team .....most are Free Transfers e.g David Platt cost £250,000 and played like a £10,000,0000 player even then.....so did Andy Gray. We have rakes of examples of great business we had done.....its just the last 10 years its gone down the toilet. Ever since Lerner came in and we thought we had money....we have just took route one and squandered it. Doug Ellis might have been a tight old git and many other things...but he made the scouts and coaches work for their money. .

No, Its pure gut feel....But did pick up on Saturday, someone who spoke to someone very close to things and said Kodjia doesn't want to be here. I get its more than him too.....losing too many games causes things like this too, players struggling,looking at others to blame.

was he? or did we just see the highlights of his wonder goals? as attractive as they are. The things that are not to our liking,now..... was they being done at Barnsley ?....was he properly scouted?.....or was his goals and assists just a camouflage? and his overall game ignored. Conor has no doubt a great left peg.....but when I see a player a 38 like Barry control the midfield, it highlights how inadequate Conor is. I hear all the claims ,its not his game and all that stuff......Midfield players have to be involved and make a mark.....its an area of High Industry as a pre- requisite and his lack of pace is another inhibiting factor. I don't think we can keep blaming the club for their form, they have to take a good proportion of the responsibility for that.....maybe the recruitment, yes....we need to do better IMO

I think for too long now bad apples have not for whatever reason been able to be removed. We all know what happens when a player that shouldn't be in the team is left in....eventually it goes through the side and more and more suffer from a loss of form, it becomes endemic. I know we are riddled with Injuries etc.....but for years now poor players have been played every game, its no wonder we are where we are. When was the last player to be pulled, because he is not doing what the manager wants.....If they are left on, I have to accept they are doing what has been asked....why would I think any different. On Saturday a young 17 year old was played....and I thought at last he has had enough. This type of thing affects the crowd and its tolerance.

do you not think that is maybe what the fans want to see? I see at times a bunch who are full of melancholy and self pity( not all our players of course).....it doesn't resonate well with passionate fans...week in week out. I think Villa fans like any other club have their element where tolerance is not their top subject.....but overall they are magnificent. Albion can only dream of those gates. We take c 5,000 away in drizzling rain and snow, with little hope of winning.....we take 30,000 odd thousand to 2 Wembley finals and the players don't turn up. I have been privileged to see players, too many to mention....who have a clear expression of defiance etched on their faces during a game, that gives any fan a sense of a willing horse. People like Andy Lochead, Eamonn Deacy, Steve McMahon, Andy Gray.....hearts of Lions. All I see now...is a team half full of meal tickets.....Those guys above would be running around Sutton Coldfield until they dropped, to attempt to get their form back.

The thing that worries me, is his ability in the transfer market...how well is he connected? i.e Farke has bought in about 4/5 free transfers that have transformed his team, why?...because he is well connected in Germany and the mix in styles have brought balance. Big money transfers, despite our owners wealth....spell massive pressure.....it strangles everyone and raises expectations beyond reason...FFP is another pressure. We as a football club have always gained more success in prudency as opposed to Affluence.....some of the best players we have signed have been modest buys. The job is not too big for him.....but it can be made too big for him, by financial pressure. In my honest opinion.....We need to embark on a road where we are showing sure signs of prudency in the transfer market, getting them to BMH and turning them in to gladiators( metaphorically speaking of course)....there is sure to be opportunities in Div 1, that others are afraid to take the gamble. The Maupays, Bowens , Dacks and Lolleys are too late...they will be expensive....we need to find our own.....they are out there, always have been always will be. We need to have the coaches and scouts to earn their corn.

I think we should stick with him....but if there is No improvement of any sort i.e player improvement as opposed to results....He might not get the time. If fans and hierarchy, can see shoots of improvement, but results are still poor....it will encourage some to give him time. I think, no improvement in any aspect results performance or individual player.....and I dont't think time will save him. In any job that needs an overhaul....you have to show your bosses some tangible improvement of some sort, in order for them to give you time. We have to understand that the financial demands of a club like Aston Villa are different from a club like Brentford, Dean will be subject to that pressure....If I was him, and results eluded me...I would find some tangible area of improvement that would buy me time....its no good trying to boil the Ocean, he needs to make a focused impact on something, that suggests in time it will be fixed.