Wesley Moraes

[penguin]

18 hours ago, Sulberto21 said:

I'd love to put Ben Mee in a heel hook. He'd experience some of what he did to Wesley. 

Grade A rocket polisher.

 

[hippo]

14 hours ago, MrBlack said:

What did the pay per view article say about Wesley other than expected back next year? Quotes or sources to suggest its more than just pure speculation on their part?

There's been a rumour that Wesley's injury & recover threatens his career. I heard this a couple of weeks back ...personally I will be surprised if he plays for us this season.

If that is the case it's hard to see a way back for him as a first team striker for us Imo.

Edited September 19, 2020 by hippo

[MrBlack]

55 minutes ago, hippo said:

There's been a rumour that Wesley's injury & recover threatens his career. I heard this a couple of weeks back ...personally I will be surprised if he plays for us this season.

If that is the case it's hard to see a way back for him as a first team striker for us Imo.

Thanks.

Injury always stood a chance of doing that.  I assume then that we're not forcing a recovery and to allow the time needed it means we write him off for this season and seek an alternative option.  Has anyone ever come back from such a lengthy layoff?

Edited September 19, 2020 by MrBlack

[KentVillan]

1 hour ago, hippo said:

There's been a rumour that Wesley's injury & recover threatens his career. I heard this a couple of weeks back ...personally I will be surprised if he plays for us this season.

If that is the case it's hard to see a way back for him as a first team striker for us Imo.

Career ending injuries are very rare nowadays aren’t they? I imagine in the past players were misdiagnosed, incorrectly treated, and then rushed back too quickly.

I’m hopeful that this will just be a long lay off to get him fully up to speed and protect his future, rather than a sign that the injury has written him off for good.

Having said that, it was a horrific injury. Ben Mee set out to leave one on him there, just as Wesley was twisting his leg to nutmeg him. The devastating thing is that Wesley looked like he was finally finding his rhythm.

Also, anyone who thinks this is a blessing in disguise: you’re a clearing in the woods, and wrong. Besides the total lack of empathy you’re displaying, on a practical level there’s never any benefit having an expensive player injured. We would have signed new attacking players anyway.

Edited September 19, 2020 by KentVillan

[sne]

Career ending in the sense that the career at the highest level might be over but not that the player has to stop playing altogether.

In Wesley's case he's still young so lots of time to recover, but also that he isn't really an established name yet even with half a PL season and a cameo for Brazil. 

For a  bigger name at a bigger club there is always some decent size club who is willing to take a punt and then a smaller one and so on.

No idea what the next step would be for Wes if he can't fully recover, hopefully it will not come to that but it does seem a bit worrying.

[KevinRichardsonsMoustache]

My stomach churns when I see that picture of Wesley. The tackle had malicious intent, there’s no doubt about it. While medics can do wonders to heal the body, I worry so much about Wes’s mental state, as he recovers and when he gets playing again.

 

While Wes has fought for everything in his life, or so it seems, I worry about his ability to recover from the psychological impact of such a long term lay off both personally and as a football player. His partner and children were back in Brazil, where he has been since his injury. If he is coming back to the UK now, I hope his partner and children are coming with him, because he’ll be back in an alien country and won’t have training to help him connect. Having to express how your body feels in a different language is going to be stressful, too. He has many difficult months of rehab left: in many ways the difficult journey begins here. 
 

Then there’s what happens when he gets back on a pitch. How do coaches and sports psychologists help a player commit to go at defenders when you have this niggling doubt at the back of your mind that one of them will snap your leg in two or that your body doesn’t have the strength to do it? Wes was known to have a bit of a temper when he arrived at Bruges: if a player goes in on him hard once he returns, how does he react? If he makes a recovery and gets back playing for us, defenders will have his card marked for at least a season after his return.

 

I understand that football is a physical game - players are going to get injured, some worse than others, of course - but the long-term psychological impact of serious injuries like this one will fundamentally change a player’s career. Watching Wes play - his head sometimes dropping if something doesn’t come off - makes me worry that he may struggle to cope.
 

We have a duty in some ways as a club (and as supporters) to do everything in our power to make the man feel valued and part of this great club, even if he isn’t playing right now. He took a hit that will change his professional life and cause intense emotional trauma while representing the club we all love. 

 

 

Edited September 20, 2020 by KevinRichardsonsMoustache

[KenjiOgiwara]

10 hours ago, KentVillan said:

Career ending injuries are very rare nowadays aren’t they?

Yes, but those kind of knee injuries are often the exception. 

It's not that you don't get back playing, but you never get 100%. 

My local club had a similar injury a few years ago to one of our 'star' players. He came back and suffered another knee injury straight after. He got back from that, but never looked remotely the same player. Then again, I expect Wesley to have slightly better medical team around him. 

Hopefully the club's investment on Wesley is insured. 

Edited September 20, 2020 by KenjiOgiwara

[DaveAV1]

I think it’s very much down to the individual how they cope psychologically with this type of injury and lay off. Alex Cropley broke his leg 3 times and always came back. The big fella will get the best medical treatment available and plenty of help with supporting him psychologically but it will inevitably be a long and difficult road. Good luck to the lad. 

[alreadyexists]

On 19/09/2020 at 00:14, Chindie said:

How his leg hasn't broken there is miraculous.

Probably would have been better if it had.

Yeah, it’s one of those where if the bone had snapped and taken the brunt of the damage the ligaments might have survived... sadly not as it’s such a bad injury. 

[Djemba_Villan]

Some slightly positive news I have consoled myself with on this one is a PhysioRoom article which uses Ruud Van Nistelrooy and Alan Shearer as examples who fully overcame the injury having picked it up at similarly young ages.

Having read around ACL injuries, I'm happy we aren't rushing him back within 12 months. He stands the best possible chance of a full recovery by doing so.

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Of the players that returned, return occurred at an average of 12.2 months after surgery.

85% of players who did return eventually got back to the same or higher level of football.

12% of players underwent a second ACL surgery. 75% of the second ACL procedures were performed on the athlete’s opposite, or contralateral, knee.

Athletes who tore their non-dominant leg’s ACL in the first injury were much more likely than those who injured their dominant leg to require ACL reconstruction of the contralateral leg in the future.

 

[Jas10]

 

[Chindie]

He looks incredibly thin there.

[YouUnastanFren]

22 minutes ago, Chindie said:

He looks incredibly thin there.

Unless the guy on the right has the skull of a giant, I think he's just getting outangled.

As in, although at first glance it looks like they're next to eachother, Wes is actually standing further away from the camera.

[alreadyexists]

32 minutes ago, Chindie said:

He looks incredibly thin there.

And the camera adds ten pounds... he must be skeletor! 
 

[Rightdm00]

He had knee swelling issues. The best way to take pressure off the knee is to lose weight. Once he restrengthens the injured leg he can start working on getting back to his playing weight. 

[Follyfoot]

On 20/09/2020 at 10:06, sne said:

Career ending in the sense that the career at the highest level might be over but not that the player has to stop playing altogether.

In Wesley's case he's still young so lots of time to recover, but also that he isn't really an established name yet even with half a PL season and a cameo for Brazil. 

For a  bigger name at a bigger club there is always some decent size club who is willing to take a punt and then a smaller one and so on.

No idea what the next step would be for Wes if he can't fully recover, hopefully it will not come to that but it does seem a bit worrying.

Dion Dublin being the perfect example After his horrific injury at Man United

[KevinRichardsonsMoustache]

Seems like Sean Dyche wasn’t happy with Sterling’s tackle on Lowton yesterday. Shame he didn’t react in a similar way to Ben Mee’s challenge on Wesley, which was significantly worse (and done with the intent to harm rather than being clumsy). 
 

You can’t have it both ways you hypocritical arsehole. 

[tomav84]

interesting we play burnley end of jan. could be the, or one of, his first games back

[Dodgyknees]

5 minutes ago, tomav84 said:

interesting we play burnley end of jan. could be the, or one of, his first games back

I hope he ruins Ben Mee’s career

[rodders0223]

21 minutes ago, avfcDJ said:

I hope he ruins Ben Mee’s career

He plays for Burnley. It's already ****.