KentVillan Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 On 19/11/2023 at 02:09, calcifer said: I would rate it higher than the French league definitely! Premiere League, Spanish and Italian then Championship. Easiest way to work it out is usually average wages... Ligue 1 was about double Championship average wages a few seasons ago, and doubt that has changed significantly. You've also missed out the Bundesliga. BUT, I think what you tend to get with the top flights in countries like France is a wider spread of quality from top to bottom. The top teams fighting for Champions League qualification can attract elite talent... players who'd never consider the Championship. But further down the table the quality quickly becomes mid-table or even lower table Championship. The worst teams in Ligue 1, Belgian league etc would get eaten alive in the Championship. And the Championship is much more physical than probably any other league in Europe bar the Premier League, which creates a different challenge. As for Big Wes, his issue is that the style of football his brain plays is not really suited to his body. And the style of football his body is suited to, he's never really known how to play. Has always been the case, and the injury has just made it a lot worse. He'll keep getting picked up by clubs who see the Brazil cap and the Premier League experience, and the physical attributes. And then they'll discover like everyone else that he wants ball to feet, doesn't want to play on the last defender, isn't very good in the air, and has a chronic injury. There must be a level where the trade off still works for the buying club, but it's unclear exactly what that level is... maybe League One? Second tier in Portugal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Why would you assume wages = quality? We've seen several English teams (who've spent loads) played off the park in Europe by Spanish teams who have spent a hell of a lot less. Assuming lower Ligue 1 sides would be 'eaten alive' by Championship sides is one hell of a stretch IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 On 21/11/2023 at 20:38, R.Bear said: You're of your mind if you actually believe that. The French league is a Framers league. It's awful dull football. One of the worst in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted November 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2023 41 minutes ago, calcifer said: The French league is a Framers league. It's awful dull football. One of the worst in Europe. Sounds very picturesque 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 4 hours ago, KentVillan said: Easiest way to work it out is usually average wages... Ligue 1 was about double Championship average wages a few seasons ago, and doubt that has changed significantly. You've also missed out the Bundesliga. BUT, I think what you tend to get with the top flights in countries like France is a wider spread of quality from top to bottom. The top teams fighting for Champions League qualification can attract elite talent... players who'd never consider the Championship. But further down the table the quality quickly becomes mid-table or even lower table Championship. The worst teams in Ligue 1, Belgian league etc would get eaten alive in the Championship. And the Championship is much more physical than probably any other league in Europe bar the Premier League, which creates a different challenge. As for Big Wes, his issue is that the style of football his brain plays is not really suited to his body. And the style of football his body is suited to, he's never really known how to play. Has always been the case, and the injury has just made it a lot worse. He'll keep getting picked up by clubs who see the Brazil cap and the Premier League experience, and the physical attributes. And then they'll discover like everyone else that he wants ball to feet, doesn't want to play on the last defender, isn't very good in the air, and has a chronic injury. There must be a level where the trade off still works for the buying club, but it's unclear exactly what that level is... maybe League One? Second tier in Portugal? Burnley smashed the Championship last season and are one of the worst teams in Premier League history. Would probably struggle to stay up in Eredivisie or Ligue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, calcifer said: The French league is a Framers league. It's awful dull football. One of the worst in Europe. That peasant Mbappe is no Toney or Jarrod Bowen Edited November 24, 2023 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 6 hours ago, Tom13 said: Why would you assume wages = quality? We've seen several English teams (who've spent loads) played off the park in Europe by Spanish teams who have spent a hell of a lot less. Assuming lower Ligue 1 sides would be 'eaten alive' by Championship sides is one hell of a stretch IMO. Basically, because if the best players could get paid more to play elsewhere, then you'd expect them to do so, so a richer league will become a better league while a poorer one will become a worse one. Inevitably there are going to be hundreds of exceptions, but the logic is sound. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 So Rotherham would be mid-table in Ligue 1? No, I don't think so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 Championship is entertaining, but it isn't good quality, I think some are still regarding the Championship as it was before covid, when the likes of Bielsa, Benitez, Nuno, Terry, Abraham, Grealish, Maddison, Neves, Jota, Tomori, Mount, and so on graced that league, it's far cry from that now with all the financial cutbacks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KentVillan Posted December 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2023 hahaha 22 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Stay well, Wes. I’ll pay for your ticket for the return fixture on the 6 April so you can watch the reception we give Mee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1. How bad are Stoke. 2. I think his career is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VillaAlex Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Kind of sad really. Regardless of what was thought of his ability before, the injury clearly has ruined him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 11 VT Supporter Share Posted April 11 His xG over that period is 0.9 Not per game. Total 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, VillaAlex said: Kind of sad really. Regardless of what was thought of his ability before, the injury clearly has ruined him. Is he still playing off the Villa contract? Or have we released and someone else gave him a contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MapleVilla Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 No I thought Stoke bought him after we released him/his contract ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 26 minutes ago, MapleVilla said: No I thought Stoke bought him after we released him/his contract ended. Stoke took him on a one year contract but I imagine we paid him a bit or covering his wages. He should be praised for wanting to play instead of sitting out his last year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Bloke is lucky he was able to walk again let alone play football at any respectable level. Such a terrible challenge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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