paul514 Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 45 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Why not play Nakamba more if he played 6 full games and we won 5 and drew one. People keep going on about his poor distribution but it's 84% and he's dispossessed 0.2 times per game which is only bettered by Mings. I think the answer is Smith doesn't want out and out DM but will play vs certain opponents like he did with Nakamba and it worked. Bissouma is 50 million Liverpool target to replace Wijnaldum if you believe transfer rumours Smith is a fool if he doesn’t have a DCM at the top of his list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, paul514 said: Smith is a fool if he doesn’t have a DCM at the top of his list. I'm not against it but also don't think Nakamba gets enough credit as often is the case with that position 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KMitch Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, paul514 said: Smith is a fool if he doesn’t have a DCM at the top of his list. Our midfield problems are 100% caused by a lack of a consistent No 10. We played our best football last season in a 4-2-3-1 when Barkley actually put in effort, but we struggled when he was either out of the team or phoned it in. Sanson gives us the flexibility to play 4-3-3 properly again, but unless Jack is going to be playing as a No 10 next season, it's our biggest position of need this offseason. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted June 1, 2021 Author Share Posted June 1, 2021 13 hours ago, allani said: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57252066 Sounds to me like Norwich are pretty resigned to selling their best players this season. Not only are they expecting offers but this sounds like encouragement for clubs to make offers. If they say it will take a bid starting with a 3 then with a bit of negotiation you'd hope that maybe you could get it done for an initial number starting with a 2 and some add-ons. They have no money so selling there best assets and then reinvesting is there only real chance of survival. Clever policy for a club like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted June 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, zab6359 said: They have no money so selling there best assets and then reinvesting is there only real chance of survival. Clever policy for a club like them. how did they get so badly into debt pre-covid troubles if all the prem money went on servicing debt?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 33 minutes ago, KMitch said: Our midfield problems are 100% caused by a lack of a consistent No 10. We played our best football last season in a 4-2-3-1 when Barkley actually put in effort, but we struggled when he was either out of the team or phoned it in. Sanson gives us the flexibility to play 4-3-3 properly again, but unless Jack is going to be playing as a No 10 next season, it's our biggest position of need this offseason. I prefer Jack Left AM in 433 or 4231. I think he's more of an attacking threat but just to be sure checked his stats. 73 games Left AM 17 goals 16 assists of those 14 goals and 12 assists in PL from all seasons 105 games CAM 13 goals 21 assists but 0 goal 3 assists in PL Bulk of his goals and assists at CAM are in Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 35 minutes ago, romavillan said: how did they get so badly into debt pre-covid troubles if all the prem money went on servicing debt?! Most of the Premier League is in debt and subsidised by rich owners. Norwich are just living within their means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: Why not play Nakamba more if he played 6 full games and we won 5 and drew one. People keep going on about his poor distribution but it's 84% and he's dispossessed 0.2 times per game which is only bettered by Mings. I think the answer is Smith doesn't want out and out DM but will play vs certain opponents like he did with Nakamba and it worked. Bissouma is 50 million Liverpool target to replace Wijnaldum if you believe transfer rumours Because Nakamba is good when you are under pressure/expecting to be dominated and need a defensive shield but not when you are looking to dominate games as we should be as we hopefully continue to progress. He has good energy and gets around well but adds little when in possession - his pass rate is ok because he never shows ambition. I said a "Bissouma type" and not necessarily him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: I prefer Jack Left AM in 433 or 4231. I think he's more of an attacking threat but just to be sure checked his stats. 73 games Left AM 17 goals 16 assists of those 14 goals and 12 assists in PL from all seasons 105 games CAM 13 goals 21 assists but 0 goal 3 assists in PL Bulk of his goals and assists at CAM are in Championship He has rarely played as an out and out "10", particularly when we were in the championship. He was often an "8" in a 2 x "8" 4-3-3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 3 hours ago, KMitch said: Our midfield problems are 100% caused by a lack of a consistent No 10. We played our best football last season in a 4-2-3-1 when Barkley actually put in effort, but we struggled when he was either out of the team or phoned it in. Sanson gives us the flexibility to play 4-3-3 properly again, but unless Jack is going to be playing as a No 10 next season, it's our biggest position of need this offseason. Exactly, and if Jack is the new 10 then it’s LF followed by RF in terms of priorities. Creativity and more creativity, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 7 hours ago, thabucks said: Boubacar Kamara from Marseille has been touted by some as a possible target but I prefer his parter Duje Caleta-Car whose being linked with West Ham for around €17mill. Buendia £34mill (plus £9mill at a guess) Olise £8/9mill. Rashica £14mill. Caleta-Car £14mill and say Ait-Nouri £13mill is around £85mill and fills all gaps offering further tactical flexibility. We could switch to 3 at the back, Rashica covers LW/WF/ST. Olise & Buendia central and flanks. I think if Luiz stays and Sanson settling in, then CM is as is come start of the season. Which Is could be a smart move. As if we continue upward trajectory then we will be should be able to sign a higher calibre player going into WC year hopefully as it’s not pressing position this summer. That said I’d happily sign a sander berge Has Kamara been linked?? Or do you mean talked about on here? I'd have thought he'd be going to a CL club, if there's a possibility of getting him I'd be ecstatic, would be a great signing and exactly what we need in midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted June 1, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 6 hours ago, paul514 said: Smith is a fool if he doesn’t have a DCM at the top of his list. Smith is a professional football coach with a lifetime of experience, a successful career record and an in-depth knowledge of the players in his squad. It's the armchair experts on here who think they know better, that are the fools. 17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) The media really are trying to sell Jack to Man Citeh but yet to provide any Club related quotes or evidence this is the case. Pure, unadulterated speculation (coupled with ‘pundits’ personal views) and bullshit on their behalf clearly now count as journalism. Edited June 1, 2021 by theboyangel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: People keep going on about his poor distribution but it's 84% and he's dispossessed 0.2 times per game which is only bettered by Mings. This is a bit of a disingenuous framing of people's general point about his distribution though. It's not that he's constantly surrendering possession with extravagant passes that don't come off, it's that the scope of his distribution is limited so in possession all you really get out of him at best is short, safe passes either sideways or backwards. Which is fine in certain games and scenarios - demonstrated by how Smith has used him - but it's why despite appreciating the work he puts in it's not unfair of people to suggest that if we want real upgrades to kick us forward that potentially one of them could be a player that has both the attributes of Douglas Luiz and Marvelous, and is more of an all-rounder at DM than a specialist. This is backed up by the more detailed stats on him below, that compares his passing relative to other players in his position in the top 5 leagues. Must caveat this by saying I love Marvelous and what he brings to the squad, but also appreciate that he's a limited player and thus could realistically be improved upon. Edited June 1, 2021 by Indigo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 4 hours ago, zab6359 said: They have no money so selling there best assets and then reinvesting is there only real chance of survival. Clever policy for a club like them. Which would be all well and good but they don't actually seem to reinvest it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: I'm not against it but also don't think Nakamba gets enough credit as often is the case with that position In my view, Nakamba has made the case to Dean, as to WHY a CDM is crucial to this team, or at least a top combative midfielder. I'm hoping the Champions League final also showed him a brilliant example. Man City are a brilliant side, but we saw exactly what the difference is without a vital component against certain opposition. We are very similar, as we can see, when we have the correct balance, an our players are allowed to play, we too can be brilliant. Nakambas interventions were invaluable against Chelsea. I mean, we could have won that final with the same performance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, barry'sboots said: He was often an "8" in a 2 x "8" 4-3-3. Stating the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Which would be all well and good but they don't actually seem to reinvest it. Of course they don't reinvest it into the club, have you seen the **** price of flour these days??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, Indigo said: This is a bit of a disingenuous framing of people's general point about his distribution though. It's not that he's constantly surrendering possession with extravagant passes that don't come off, it's that the scope of his distribution is limited so in possession all you really get out of him at best is short, safe passes either sideways or backwards. Which is fine in certain games and scenarios - demonstrated by how Smith has used him - but it's why despite appreciating the work he puts in it's not unfair of people to suggest that if we want real upgrades to kick us forward that potentially one of them could be a player that has both the attributes of Douglas Luiz and Marvelous, and is more of an all-rounder at DM than a specialist. This is backed up by the more detailed stats on him below, that compares his passing relative to other players in his position in the top 5 leagues. Must caveat this by saying I love Marvelous and what he brings to the squad, but also appreciate that he's a limited player and thus could realistically be improved upon. @Indigo mate, I don’t know where you’re sourcing these stats from so would you mind sharing the same for Luiz so we can compare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 16 hours ago, Adam2003 said: What about someone like Shaquiri for a bit of experience if we are looking at people on the fringes of the CL clubs? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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