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12 minutes ago, Awol said:

@Indigo mate, I don’t know where you’re sourcing these stats from so would you mind sharing the same for Luiz so we can compare? 

No worries, apologies I should have said that it was from FBRef. It's quite a handy source as it gives quite detailed breakdowns of players' stats beyond the obvious. Doug's for passing are below (the site provides full reports of more elements of their game) and are unsurprisingly a bit more well-rounded than Nakamba's.

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12 minutes ago, Villan4Life said:

Daichi Kamada (Eintracht Frankfurt)

Cheers.

Getable I think and brilliant for expanding our fan base over there.

What other positions do you think need improvement and targets we should be looking at.

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51 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Nakambas interventions were invaluable against Chelsea.

The thing that frustrates me the most is reading the match forum or Facebook comments people piling in on Nakamba for the Spurs opener. It was bad but it was a hospital pass and the best player can make them but then he went on to give MOTM performance against Spurs and Chelsea but for many it's just an afterthought and the only take out is lost the ball for goal. Not good enough

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1 hour ago, Indigo said:

it's that the scope of his distribution is limited so in possession all you really get out of him at best is short, safe passes either sideways or backwards.

That is exactly what a good DM should do. I really appreciated Whelan for doing that job. I swear people don't like good DMs because they don't understand the role

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1 hour ago, theboyangel said:

The media really are trying to sell Jack to Man Citeh but yet to provide any Club related quotes or evidence this is the case. 

Pure, unadulterated speculation (coupled with ‘pundits’ personal views) and bullshit on their behalf clearly now count as journalism. 
 

Biggest crack up article I read today on MEN was Man United dealt a blow signing Grealish as player said to prefer a move to City WITH LITERALLY ZERO SOURCE

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18 hours ago, Zatman said:

He was moved into the centre because he wasnt that great out wide. Why would we play a guy who was an above average Championship winger on the wing in the Premier League when he had proven to be a very good Premier League striker 

 You are saying ollie watkins who was playing in most midfield areas and the odd time upfront for exeter and on his for and skill set was signed as a winger by Brentford was not great as a winger  and that's why he was moved to a forward ?

Please enlighten us with where you get that opinion from ? 

 

Because its nonsense.

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4 minutes ago, brummybloke said:

 You are saying ollie watkins who was playing in most midfield areas and the odd time upfront for exeter and on his for and skill set was signed as a winger by Brentford was not great as a winger  and that's why he was moved to a forward ?

Please enlighten us with where you get that opinion from ? 

 

Because its nonsense.

Ollie himself said he was moved into the middle because a deal for a striker fell through on the final day of the window. He can play CF or wide forward equally well. 

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17 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said:

That is exactly what a good DM should do. I really appreciated Whelan for doing that job. I swear people don't like good DMs because they don't understand the role

But better ones are capable of more and that is literally the point people are making. To say people "don't understand" the role because they reckon there are players out there who perform defensive duties equally as well as Marvelous while also being more capable on the ball is just wrong like. As is demonstrated by the stats you ignored.

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9 minutes ago, brummybloke said:

 You are saying ollie watkins who was playing in most midfield areas and the odd time upfront for exeter and on his for and skill set was signed as a winger by Brentford was not great as a winger  and that's why he was moved to a forward ?

Please enlighten us with where you get that opinion from ? 

 

Because its nonsense.

From watching him and how Brentford played him. He would have never made it to the top flight or the England Euro 2021,squad as a wide man 

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2 minutes ago, Indigo said:

But better ones are capable of more and that is literally the point people are making. To say people "don't understand" the role because they reckon there are players out there who perform defensive duties equally as well as Marvelous while also being more capable on the ball is just wrong like. As is demonstrated by the stats you ignored.

I think Smith doesn't want to play a dedicated DM. He'd rather play double pivot with ball players like Luiz and McGinn but he realises Nakamba usefulness and played him 6 full games for 5 wins and 1 draw so Smith is a bit of a genius in that regard. Maybe we would've got more results with Nakamba playing more games but that may go against Smith's swashbuckling ideals

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3 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said:

I think Smith doesn't want to play a dedicated DM. He'd rather play double pivot with ball players like Luiz and McGinn but he realises Nakamba usefulness and played him 6 full games for 5 wins and 1 draw so Smith is a bit of a genius in that regard. Maybe we would've got more results with Nakamba playing more games but that may go against Smith's swashbuckling ideals

Agree with that, I think generally he likes his deepest-lying midfielder to be more of a deep-lying playmaker rather than a dedicated defensive specialist. Could be wrong but if I remember rightly he also used Josh McEachran there as well as Ryan Woods in his time at Brentford, to Hourihane at times for us and latterly Luiz. Hard to say given the small sample size but I reckon that's largely the reason Sanson was brought in, he has a lot of defensive strengths and would potentially bring a lot to a double pivot with someone like Luiz or McGinn  who can struggle at times in that regard.

Most of the games Nakamba started in (Arsenal, Leeds, Spurs, Chelsea off the top of my head as examples) made sense as we realistically weren't going to be controlling possession for it and showed good use of the squad Smith had at his disposal, doesn't seem he's a huge fan of him in games where that won't be the case which does seem fair enough for the most part.

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42 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Just did my Youtube research, looks incredible!

Followed your example and did the same.

I know it's a highlights video and they always look good, but the thought of him and Jack playing in the same side had me drooling.

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3 minutes ago, Indigo said:

Agree with that, I think generally he likes his deepest-lying midfielder to be more of a deep-lying playmaker rather than a dedicated defensive specialist. Could be wrong but if I remember rightly he also used Josh McEachran there as well as Ryan Woods in his time at Brentford, to Hourihane at times for us and latterly Luiz. Hard to say given the small sample size but I reckon that's largely the reason Sanson was brought in, he has a lot of defensive strengths and would potentially bring a lot to a double pivot with someone like Luiz or McGinn  who can struggle at times in that regard.

Most of the games Nakamba started in (Arsenal, Leeds, Spurs, Chelsea off the top of my head as examples) made sense as we realistically weren't going to be controlling possession for it and showed good use of the squad Smith had at his disposal, doesn't seem he's a huge fan of him in games where that won't be the case which does seem fair enough for the most part.

Thanks. Great response. I've had a few beers and my response was a bit snarky but I've been upset with lot of comments lately about get rid of Nakamba. I think he's a good squad member and in saying that I think Smith only uses him for certain games but think he's really effective and useful to have 

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25 minutes ago, Awol said:

Ollie himself said he was moved into the middle because a deal for a striker fell through on the final day of the window. He can play CF or wide forward equally well. 

They sold maupay and ollie was then moved upfront as he was the best they had that could play upfront. 

Nothing to do with not being a good winger.

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2 minutes ago, brummybloke said:

They sold maupay and ollie was then moved upfront as he was the best they had that could play upfront. 

Nothing to do with not being a good winger.

Cash was RM until they switched him to RB for one season and was revelation then we signed him

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