Condimentalist Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 1 hour ago, nnock1984 said: Judging by the amount of people saying we need a new first choice left back, Targett isn’t rated on here. Personally I’m happy with him as a starter, good attacking left back! Bigger problems elsewhere! I think we could ideally do with a young full back to challenge him and replace Taylor. My fear in that position isn't Targett - but with so many games compressed this season we have to expect injuries so we need two good players for each role. Ideal would be someone to cover both LB and RB. I love Elmo but not sure I'd want him playing 10 games on the bounce either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Condimentalist said: I think we could ideally do with a young full back to challenge him and replace Taylor. My fear in that position isn't Targett - but with so many games compressed this season we have to expect injuries so we need two good players for each role. Ideal would be someone to cover both LB and RB. I love Elmo but not sure I'd want him playing 10 games on the bounce either. Could be wrong here, but I think Max Aarons can cover both sides? Otherwise, you are looking at Rico Henry or Antonee Robinson to challenge Targett. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted August 8, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted August 8, 2020 45 minutes ago, OxfordVillan said: The club need to work with Targett to improve his physical conditioning, I think there’s plenty of room for improvement with his physique. Needs to get in the gym like Grealish did. Targett is a fine footballer, he’s such a threat going forward and fine defensively. He will only get better in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnock1984 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 44 minutes ago, ferguson1 said: Could be wrong here, but I think Max Aarons can cover both sides? Otherwise, you are looking at Rico Henry or Antonee Robinson to challenge Targett. Some good suggestions here, or that Scottish guy we’re linked with. Max Aaron’s for me would be ideal as starting RB with the ability to play LB of required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 8, 2020 2 hours ago, nnock1984 said: Judging by the amount of people saying we need a new first choice left back, Targett isn’t rated on here. Personally I’m happy with him as a starter, good attacking left back! Bigger problems elsewhere! Did you see how many goals we conceded last year? Something is badly wrong with our defence. I know the "it starts in midfield" argument but nevertheless there is something wrong at the back. Personally I don't think our fullbacks are good enough and will need replacing if we are to move upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, nnock1984 said: Judging by the amount of people saying we need a new first choice left back, Targett isn’t rated on here. Personally I’m happy with him as a starter, good attacking left back! Bigger problems elsewhere! Nah! Not really! I rate his technique and touch, and decent left foot. But that's all. Lacks pace and agility. For someone with his technique doesn't really cross much or get assists. Every tricky winger he faces at the very least makes him look vulnerable. Weak in one on one situations defensively and offensively. Personally I want pace across the back four. All strong in one on ones defensively. Currently can only say that about Mings, Hause and maybe Konsa. Edited August 8, 2020 by Philosopher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 For where we are I'm happy with Target. Sure he lacks pace which is a major drawback at this level. But on the whole I think he is fairly solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, sidcow said: Did you see how many goals we conceded last year? Something is badly wrong with our defence. I know the "it starts in midfield" argument but nevertheless there is something wrong at the back. Personally I don't think our fullbacks are good enough and will need replacing if we are to move upwards. I think both targett and Fred are decent enough for mid table next season. One of the biggest factors in how a full back plays is down to midfield. You are bottom corner of your team so passing becomes far more limited. If the supporting midfielder doesn't create a passing option and there is a high press on it limits your options to either trying to beat their midfielder with skill or pace and risk losing the ball and opening up that side of the pitch, passing it to the keeper when under a press or hitting it long hoping the forward can sprint on to it. We lacked team movement and even when we had that, the midfielder often lacked the application to keep the ball or move it forwards. So while both full backs made mistakes and often looked over run, there are more reasons than they are not good enough. Are they good enough for top 8 ? I'm not sure they are, this season will be the one to decide if they can improve with better more mobile team mates. Targett still needs cover though due to the amount of knocks he picks up and a condensed season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 41 minutes ago, Philosopher said: Nah! Not really! I rate his technique and touch, and decent left foot. But that's all. Lacks pace and agility. For someone with his technique doesn't really cross much or get assists. Every tricky winger he faces at the very least makes him look vulnerable. Weak in one on one situations defensively and offensively. Personally I want pace across the back four. All strong in one on ones defensively. Currently can only say that about Mings, Hause and maybe Konsa. To say he doesn't really cross isn't true at all, and if we had better finishers he would have plenty more assists. Despite his injuries and such this season, he was ranked something like 4th in the league for defenders creating goal scoring opportunities - only behind the likes of TAA, Robertson and Azpi. If there is one thing he is good at, it's creating chances, we just can't finish them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, samjp26 said: To say he doesn't really cross isn't true at all, and if we had better finishers he would have plenty more assists. Despite his injuries and such this season, he was ranked something like 4th in the league for defenders creating goal scoring opportunities - only behind the likes of TAA, Robertson and Azpi. If there is one thing he is good at, it's creating chances, we just can't finish them. I'd like to see those stats. I looked but couldn't find them. Also this in my opinion needs to be the case otherwise there is no case for him being I the starting line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Philosopher said: I'd like to see those stats. I looked but couldn't find them. Also this in my opinion needs to be the case otherwise there is no case for him being I the starting line up. Created 8 big chances. Azpi had 8 Robertson had 14, TAA had 18. Grealish and Hourihane also created 8 big chances each. I think he is overrated though. Having grealish and hourihane play g next to him really helped him this season compared to guilbert. It made it a lot easier to get crosses in because everyone was focused on grealish and hourihane ha sgood movement in and around the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Not even close to being a priority position to be replaced. Maybe even dead last in the entire 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 35 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Not even close to being a priority position to be replaced. Maybe even dead last in the entire 11 I'd want competition and a different dimension to him though. Which is why I like the links for Hickey. I'm also slightly worried about his injury record? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 5 hours ago, sidcow said: Did you see how many goals we conceded last year? Something is badly wrong with our defence. I know the "it starts in midfield" argument but nevertheless there is something wrong at the back. Personally I don't think our fullbacks are good enough and will need replacing if we are to move upwards. I think the issue last season was we didn't have a stable defence or even a starting 11 until near the end. Mings was our only defensive player to start more than 30 league games and only him and Jack started 30 games. Sheffield United had 7 players including all back 5 and goalkeeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 6 hours ago, ferguson1 said: Could be wrong here, but I think Max Aarons can cover both sides? If so, by jesus h. Christ throw £ 20 million on Max Aarons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooJung Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 In order to significantly improve on our full backs we would have to either find a cheapish young prospect from a lower league/abroad and hope he adapts quickly and becomes a revelation, or we would need to throw a lot of money at one. I'm absolutely fine with a cheap gamble on a promising underdog. I'm absolutely against us spending 15-20 million on a fullback which would only marginally improve us. I wouldn't mind a cheapish been there-done that fullback to add competition and experience as an upgrade on Neil Taylor, that would be welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 23 hours ago, ferguson1 said: Could be wrong here, but I think Max Aarons can cover both sides? Otherwise, you are looking at Rico Henry or Antonee Robinson to challenge Targett. Spurs looking most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MellbergsBeard Posted August 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2020 To grow as a club we can't replace every player every year, Matt was fine last year there alot more important positions to look at this year. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, MellbergsBeard said: To grow as a club we can't replace every player every year, Matt was fine last year there alot more important positions to look at this year. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruff Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Been constantly improving. Looking forward to see it continue next season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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