the_eristic Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 hours ago, briny_ear said: Seems a bit bizarre that Howe should want Mings at Newcastle when he didn’t want him at Bournemouth. Just some journalist looking for a former player to make a lazy link, Mings is probably the biggest "name" of them. Then again, their owners could be looking for an England player or two to aid in their sportswashing like City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshie2000 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 For me I think the pressure of being captain is effecting him, he always has a balls up in him, but seems the best out of our defenders at Marshalling the back line, I hope Gerrard takes the captaincy from him and just tells him to concentrate on his job of defending. Out of the regular players we have I can only think of maybe McGinn or Dougie to captain, that's without giving it to Martinez (not a big fan of goalies being captain) McGinn and Dougie are young but so was Jack and he thrived on it, maybe they would to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 McGinn’s form has been even worse than Tyrone’s. I don’t think he’ll change the captain this season, he’ll need Mings to get back to his best and try to sort the rest of the defence out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Risso said: McGinn’s form has been even worse than Tyrone’s. I don’t think he’ll change the captain this season, he’ll need Mings to get back to his best and try to sort the rest of the defence out. Not a chance, McGinn has put in some pretty decent performances so far this season. Tyrone has looked a mile off it for most of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 I'd drive Tyrone to another club for a profit tbh. Was immense his first season for us but has often flattered to deceive since then, his error-prone nature and lapses in concentrations have cost us numerous points. Not really good enough from a captain IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 If we could sell him for what we paid for him I’d ditch him in seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chine Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Hel not be interested in going up to the toon as hel lose his England spot when they are competing v small Heath next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Philosopher Posted November 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2021 I lot of the talk here is just plain disrespectful. Yes Mings has errors in his game, but the truth is we'd be far far worse without him. He not only marshalls our defence, he has always been the vocal leader of the team. As well as having the responsibility of being the ball player in our defence. Him having the armband changes nothing of what he normally does. The problem this season in defence is down to a number of factors. Konsa hasn't been great. Targett has been taken to the cleaners at least twice this season. He has played in back four as well as a back 3. He has played with Konsa, Tuanzebe, and Hause as central defensive partners. He has also had to deal with changes in front of the defence. From a 2 dm midfield, to a two 8's and a 6, and even a 4-4-2. Konsa maybe everyone's favourite, but Ming takes on far more. The main guy when playing out, the organiser, and the leader of the team. So while it's true he hasn't been good enough, who the f*** has? A good defence is a unit, one player not doing what they're supposed to throws everything off. Mings gives his all everytime he plays. He always takes responsibility, and he never hides. He deserves more respect! 13 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 12, 2021 I think selling him at this point would be very foolish indeed. It would leave us with Konsa as our only senior contracted centreback in the summer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 If they want to offer 50 million for Mings it should be accepted. Not because he isn't a good player, but because it makes commercial sense. He's going to be nearly 29 in January. A part of the "sustainable" model that Purslow constantly refers too will involve us selling players for profit before their value diminishes. if we can spend 40/50 million on a 23/24 year old alternative then that makes sense and we keep the average age down without spending anything. They key as always is recruitment. Leicester sold Maguire + brought in Soyunchu (23 at the time) and Fofana (19). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Mings was superb against Southampton the other day, and superb for much of last season. Definitely not just a one season wonder. I know he's prone to the occasional mistake and not an elite defender, but I genuinely think some football fans have a personal issue with him because of his views and personality, and are overly harsh on him because of that. (Especially non-Villa fans, but including some Villa fans.) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 I think we have to sort the midfield out before we do anything with the defence. Our lack of ability to keep hold of the ball and control games from CM is horrific, and it puts Mings, Konsa etc. under so much more pressure than they should realistically have to deal with. Sort the CM out, then we'll know exactly what we need to do with Mings and Konsa, if anything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Philosopher Posted November 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2021 34 minutes ago, pas5898 said: If they want to offer 50 million for Mings it should be accepted. Not because he isn't a good player, but because it makes commercial sense. He's going to be nearly 29 in January. A part of the "sustainable" model that Purslow constantly refers too will involve us selling players for profit before their value diminishes. if we can spend 40/50 million on a 23/24 year old alternative then that makes sense and we keep the average age down without spending anything. They key as always is recruitment. Leicester sold Maguire + brought in Soyunchu (23 at the time) and Fofana (19). This fair, but also dangerous. Mings is more than just a defender for us. He is a leader, and we don't have many in the squad. Mcginn is not a leader BTW! Other than Mings, you have Luiz, Martinez, and Young (who is 36). So we'd need to replace his leadership as well as his squad place. The other thing is recruitment is not so simple..Leicester are getting most things right, but how many clubs do? You should only do this if you have the perfect player lined up. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Philosopher said: You should only do this if you have the perfect player lined up. We were linked with Mario Hermoso at Atletico over the summer, a left-sided CB. If that was an option to replace Mings I’d definitely take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Philosopher said: This fair, but also dangerous. Mings is more than just a defender for us. He is a leader, and we don't have many in the squad. Mcginn is not a leader BTW! Other than Mings, you have Luiz, Martinez, and Young (who is 36). So we'd need to replace his leadership as well as his squad place. The other thing is recruitment is not so simple..Leicester are getting most things right, but how many clubs do? You should only do this if you have the perfect player lined up. with the way Mings panics, mis-kicks, loses his cool very easily etc, i dont think he is an on the pitch leader either, he talks a good game on twitter, and yes he's vocal on the pitch when everything is going steady, but he doesnt lead by example, he gets as panicked as all the others when the chips are down. Now that doesnt mean that i dont think he's a good defender, he clearly is good on balance, but he's not a true on the pitch leader for me. Edited November 12, 2021 by MaVilla 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 12, 2021 No way we should consider selling him in January but come the summer I think we should be looking at CB’s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted November 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 12, 2021 Personally I’d fly from Australia and drive him to Newcastle. Didn’t believe he was the best option for captain and has hit his ceiling. Common sense dictates next summer would be the better option, but if Newcastle offer silly money and the right player is available, well…. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted November 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 12, 2021 32 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: No way we should consider selling him in January but come the summer I think we should be looking at CB’s. I agree. Especially since Hause and Tuanzebe aren’t exactly up to much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Would be very hypocritical. A human with his morals joining the Saudis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 13, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2021 16 hours ago, alreadyexists said: I agree. Especially since Hause and Tuanzebe aren’t exactly up to much. And especially since Hause leaves on a free in the summer and Tuanzebe goes back to Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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