DCJonah Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Villa 59 said: Serious question, why do you feel sorry for him? Because his career is going down the drain and he doesn't seem like a bad guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa 59 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 26 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Because his career is going down the drain and he doesn't seem like a bad guy. Well yes, I agree on that part! I know I've said this before but it's the lack of effort that makes me angry. If he worked hard and tracked back I would be sorry for him too. But he's a mature adult and he 'decides' for himself not to put 100% effort in when he plays. I've got a feeling that now he's made his millions he's comfortable with his lot and lacks the desire to continue to play at the required level! It's a very sad waste of talent but we can't afford to accommodate players who contribute little to the 'team'. By not starting him recently, I feel that DS has also noticed what I've pointed out on here on many occasions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 36 minutes ago, Villa 59 said: Well yes, I agree on that part! I know I've said this before but it's the lack of effort that makes me angry. If he worked hard and tracked back I would be sorry for him too. But he's a mature adult and he 'decides' for himself not to put 100% effort in when he plays. I've got a feeling that now he's made his millions he's comfortable with his lot and lacks the desire to continue to play at the required level! It's a very sad waste of talent but we can't afford to accommodate players who contribute little to the 'team'. By not starting him recently, I feel that DS has also noticed what I've pointed out on here on many occasions! Won't be the first or last high profile player whose career fizzles out. We don't know for sure what his issues are although could simply be loss of form due to the injury. Perhaps it will take another pre season to get the old Ross firing again. I hope he comes good but at the same time we shouldn't be spunking a large chunk of money on him when there are other talents to be had. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvonVillain Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Wouldn't buy him, simple as that, and that's speaking as someone in the reasonable 'feel sorry for him' camp. Not that I do feel sorry for him as such.... please bear with me and I'll *try* make some sense. His substitute tantrums might very well be due in some part to frustration at his inability to reach the heights, but it looks terrible to literally every other person looking on, including all the important people like manager and fans, and also the substitute, attempting to make us look like we're playing with 11 men again. Perhaps if he displayed that kind of passion and intensity of feeling on the pitch instead of off it - even when playing poorly - then he wouldn't be hauled off so much. More importantly, the days of buying occasionally brilliant players belong well and truly in our past if we wish to seriously compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 4 hours ago, VillaChris said: Well Moyes managed him at Everton and if West Ham finish in europa they obviously need bigger squad. He's got a tune out of Lingard so far who'd barely played in 12 months so would've thought Barkley who's been a regular here would appeal to him. If not West Ham I cant see who else would want him as he'd barely play at likes of Everton and Spurs and so with us not winning him full time that's pretty much top half of the league. Perhaps Newcastle if they stay up on another season loan deal or go abroad. Didnt really play as much until Martibez came in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 On 13/03/2021 at 02:18, gwi1890 said: Why is Jack pals will all these assholes? I’d much rather he be mates with the James Milner’s of the world For all we know, Milner is the asshole of the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shomin Geki Posted March 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2021 All the indications point towards Barkley never having quite matured, certainly as a player, and perhaps as a person. There's something of a Steven Gerrard archetype about him, struggling to play at a level that doesn't see him flying about with an imperious strut. Not to mention that Barkley is no Gerrard, but he's also no longer 21. And yet he still plays with the same short-termist, tigerish mentality. What seems to have been missed is that not only does that kind of 'decisive' hurling-yourself-into-the-thicket approach present a real high wire challenge to maintain over 90 minutes, but it's actually detrimental to the players around him, not to mention a dereliction of the positional discipline and tactical finesse essential for the modern game. I do have to wonder if Barkley's insistence on this gung-ho mentality has stunted his evolution somewhat. Rather than calming down, using your head, evaluating a strategy that lasts longer than the next couple of minutes and choosing to become a more intelligent, complete player, he's off chasing the same Red Bull tsunami that Jamie Vardy feeds off of. And Barkley is no Vardy either. Know thyself, the wise man says, and Barkley seems too busy constantly insisting that he's that kind of player to actually figure out what he could or should be doing instead. He seems too deafened by the proud stomp of his own boots, knowing nothing else but the next charge into the fray. Yeah, I'm about to do something passionate and brilliant, he seems to always be thinking, and it so rarely happens for him. Like a dog that hasn't actually got the squirrel in years. There's almost this confusion about him, like he's baffled that he's the odd one out here. Why isn't everyone else on my wavelength? Doing the same things I'm doing? Why isn't this working? All the while he's addicted to this image of who he really wants to be, and how he really wants football to work, the players around him, and the world, moves on. It's hard to tell the boy inside you that the dream is over. And suddenly he discovers, in a moment of clarity, that not only is he not 21 any more, but he's actually 27 years old, in what should be his prime, heading into a major international tournament, and he's nowhere near even anyone's thoughts, instead kicking bottles as he leaves the pitch, struggling to work out what the latest underwhelming sixty minutes was all about. Except I can't see that happening. Sometimes you have to let them go. I can't see him turning it around. 27 is no age. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Did we really spend £11m to take him on loan? Kinda hope that everything in this article apart from Smith not being keen is untrue. Quote Sources: Purslow spearheading permanent Barkley move to Aston Villa after £11m fee paid Aston Villa chief executive Christian Purslow is the driving force of a permanent Ross Barkley deal, Football Insider understands. Manager Dean Smith is yet to be convinced that Barkley, 27, is worth the £35million fee Chelsea want for him this summer. https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-purslow-spearheading-permanent-barkley-move-to-aston-villa/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, sne said: Did we really spend £11m to take him on loan? Kinda hope that everything in this article apart from Smith not being keen is untrue. https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-purslow-spearheading-permanent-barkley-move-to-aston-villa/ Was about to post this. Aldo interesting, they allude to Deano not being convinced, but Purslow wants the deal? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Isn’t Football Insider just another clickbait site? When they say ‘football insider understands’. What they actually mean is, ‘football insider has just made up’. There is no way we’re taking him on a permanent deal. I can however believe he could have cost 11m for the season if we are paying all of his wages. They probably hoped it would turn in to a permanent deal. I think we all did at one point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 As the bad Dr would put it - it’s clickbait jerkalism ... Would Purslow really get involved with signing Barkley over Smith as a vanity project ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, thabucks said: As the bad Dr would put it - it’s clickbait jerkalism ... Would Purslow really get involved with signing Barkley over Smith as a vanity project ? Wouldn't rule it out. Smith is only head coach. But clearly Watkins/Konsa and probably one or two more are his picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 On current form I wouldn't take him on a free 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzaleed Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I predict in 2 or 3 games time we'll start to see the best of him again and he'll seem a lot better. I'd probably not get him on a permanent deal unless it's for less than £20m as I think his issue is he picks up injuries doesn't recover quickly and takes ages to get his fitness back. only going to get worse with age I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Going to Chelsea for loans only works in the Championship. Thats what we’ve learned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Would be great if he would rediscover his love for football here, start working hard, finish the season strongly etc. but it doesn't look like he has it in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I think we saw glimpses against Newcastle. That ball over the top to Watkins was sublime and he’s probably the only player at the club that could pull off a pass like that. But then you have the very frustrating moments where he loses the ball whilst we’re on a break and puts us in to trouble. I think he could still play a part from now and until the end of the season. But I really hope we don’t sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 13 hours ago, hippo said: Wouldn't rule it out. Smith is only head coach. But clearly Watkins/Konsa and probably one or two more are his picks. Based on what? There's a team for transfers and there's no way they're stupid enough to sign somebody the person who picks the team doesn't want to pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Here's a video on hamstring injuries from Tifo which let's face it is a fairly relevant to Ross. Skip to about 3.30 where it describes how hamstring injuries can affect careers in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 23 hours ago, lexicon said: Based on what? There's a team for transfers and there's no way they're stupid enough to sign somebody the person who picks the team doesn't want to pick. It's actually more common than you think. It's well documented than Doug Ellis signed savo milosevic - and was freely signing players for villa in the mid 80s. Perfectly feasible imo that Dean (who early in villa career admitted that he wasn't involved transfers) has players signed for him. You think Nakamba, Trez, Engels etc were scouted by Smith.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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