hong0311 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Is there any chance that the work permit is going to be turned down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, hong0311 said: Is there any chance that the work permit is going to be turned down? He qualifies more than Wesley did I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Is he quick? Desperately need a bit of pace somewhere across the front 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kiwivillan Posted September 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2020 30 minutes ago, zab6359 said: Is he quick? Desperately need a bit of pace somewhere across the front 3. He's so rapid he should be playing for Vienna 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 43 minutes ago, zab6359 said: Is he quick? Desperately need a bit of pace somewhere across the front 3. I've read hes rapid, but we need someone on the wings who has pace,Skill and precision and we keep coming up short and only getting one of those traits in a player Grealish excused. I spose then it would be an improvement if we managed to get a guy that has two out of the three traits of Skill, Pace and Precision, maybe we can add the rest in the lab and get a player enhanced, dont think it would be legal however. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post paul514 Posted September 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2020 I am going to chime in knowing very little about the player but just looking at the lads stats and I will break them down to add something to the debate. Ajax (1 Season) 13 Goals, 6 Assists, 3074 minutes which works out to 34 full games. That is 19 goal contributions in 34 games. Lyon (All Seasons) 33 Goals, 17 Assists, 7649 minutes which works out to 85 full games. That is 50 goal contributions in 85 games. Lyon (Last season but included in the above stats) 4 Goals, 5 Assists, 1913 minutes which works out to 21 full games. That is a 9 goal contribution in 21 games. So that is the raw unarguable data on Bertrand Traore, I put in last seasons stats because people said he was so terrible. My conclusion based on his goal contributions is he should be a good signing. 17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robby b Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 4 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Epic Kiwi faceoff! This kiwi needs to go to Specsavers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, hong0311 said: Is there any chance that the work permit is going to be turned down? Nah, he just have got one when he was Chelsea and he has played plenty of international football and played Champions League last season I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hong0311 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: Nah, he just have got one when he was Chelsea and he has played plenty of international football and played Champions League last season I believe. Got it. It’s just some wishful thinking in me that something can still bring down the transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 5 hours ago, nepal_villan said: I hope I am proved completely wrong. And I'll certainly back him to succeed the moment he puts on a Villa shirt. Think we all can agree on that. Ignoring everything else, and assuming our staff know what they are doing, I can't for the life of me understand the pricing of him. He was bought for £ 8 million and has flopped. Nobody rates him and suddenly we're offering £ 16 -19 million for him? It's just weird. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 hours ago, paul514 said: I am going to chime in knowing very little about the player but just looking at the lads stats and I will break them down to add something to the debate. Ajax (1 Season) 13 Goals, 6 Assists, 3074 minutes which works out to 34 full games. That is 19 goal contributions in 34 games. Lyon (All Seasons) 33 Goals, 17 Assists, 7649 minutes which works out to 85 full games. That is 50 goal contributions in 85 games. Lyon (Last season but included in the above stats) 4 Goals, 5 Assists, 1913 minutes which works out to 21 full games. That is a 9 goal contribution in 21 games. So that is the raw unarguable data on Bertrand Traore, I put in last seasons stats because people said he was so terrible. My conclusion based on his goal contributions is he should be a good signing. Callum Wilson MKII. He has had one bad season so he must be terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alreadyexists Posted September 14, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I don't really care about Trez's goals return. I saw enough of him last season to know he is quite shit. So if we're trying to improve on him then I approve. I don't know if I've ever seen Traore play so I can't comment on whether he's a good replacement. I glean from this thread that he's the worst player to ever play the game and is also the reincarnation of Hitler We do need a right winger... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Think we all can agree on that. Ignoring everything else, and assuming our staff know what they are doing, I can't for the life of me understand the pricing of him. He was bought for £ 8 million and has flopped. Nobody rates him and suddenly we're offering £ 16 -19 million for him? It's just weird. He had a great start to his time at OL. I want to know what happened to the guy who scored 13 goals and 4 assists in his first season to 7 / 3 the next season and 1 / 0 this passed season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPAngel Posted September 14, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, paul514 said: I am going to chime in knowing very little about the player but just looking at the lads stats and I will break them down to add something to the debate. Ajax (1 Season) 13 Goals, 6 Assists, 3074 minutes which works out to 34 full games. That is 19 goal contributions in 34 games. Lyon (All Seasons) 33 Goals, 17 Assists, 7649 minutes which works out to 85 full games. That is 50 goal contributions in 85 games. Lyon (Last season but included in the above stats) 4 Goals, 5 Assists, 1913 minutes which works out to 21 full games. That is a 9 goal contribution in 21 games. So that is the raw unarguable data on Bertrand Traore, I put in last seasons stats because people said he was so terrible. My conclusion based on his goal contributions is he should be a good signing. Terrific post. Thanks for this! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I get weirded out when people think that opinions simply stated are valid. ‘This bloke is sh**te’, ‘this bloke is terrific’. I think this sums up what is wrong with online discussion: there’s a thing called expertise and argument that comes in. We all have varying degrees of football knowledge on this forum - we all know who those with significant knowledge or experience are. However, few of us are professional scouts or itk. So, what we have left is argument: trying to persuade each other of the point: not just throwing ours toys out of the pram when someone doesn’t agree etc. Having an opinion and expressing it doesn’t give it automatic validity. Expressing it in a way that’s reasoned, reasonable and persuasive wins the argument. Please talk about this guy - he must split opinion for a reason! - but qualify it with all of the reasons why! End of rant about the toxicity of internet discourse. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Follyfoot Posted September 14, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, KevinRichardsonsMoustache said: I get weirded out when people think that opinions simply stated are valid. ‘This bloke is sh**te’, ‘this bloke is terrific’. I think this sums up what is wrong with online discussion: there’s a thing called expertise and argument that comes in. We all have varying degrees of football knowledge on this forum - we all know who those with significant knowledge or experience are. However, few of us are professional scouts or itk. So, what we have left is argument: trying to persuade each other of the point: not just throwing ours toys out of the pram when someone doesn’t agree etc. Having an opinion and expressing it doesn’t give it automatic validity. Expressing it in a way that’s reasoned, reasonable and persuasive wins the argument. Please talk about this guy - he must split opinion for a reason! - but qualify it with all of the reasons why! End of rant about the toxicity of internet discourse. God forbid what the discussion would’ve been 30 odd years ago when we brought that bloke from Manchester United who was finished, an alcoholic with bad knees Edited September 14, 2020 by Follyfoot 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thunderball Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, paul514 said: I am going to chime in knowing very little about the player but just looking at the lads stats and I will break them down to add something to the debate. Ajax (1 Season) 13 Goals, 6 Assists, 3074 minutes which works out to 34 full games. That is 19 goal contributions in 34 games. Lyon (All Seasons) 33 Goals, 17 Assists, 7649 minutes which works out to 85 full games. That is 50 goal contributions in 85 games. Lyon (Last season but included in the above stats) 4 Goals, 5 Assists, 1913 minutes which works out to 21 full games. That is a 9 goal contribution in 21 games. So that is the raw unarguable data on Bertrand Traore, I put in last seasons stats because people said he was so terrible. My conclusion based on his goal contributions is he should be a good signing. Paul, you’ve got my vote for our official VT Data Analyst 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 14, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, KevinRichardsonsMoustache said: I get weirded out when people think that opinions simply stated are valid. ‘This bloke is sh**te’, ‘this bloke is terrific’. I think this sums up what is wrong with online discussion: there’s a thing called expertise and argument that comes in. We all have varying degrees of football knowledge on this forum - we all know who those with significant knowledge or experience are. However, few of us are professional scouts or itk. So, what we have left is argument: trying to persuade each other of the point: not just throwing ours toys out of the pram when someone doesn’t agree etc. Having an opinion and expressing it doesn’t give it automatic validity. Expressing it in a way that’s reasoned, reasonable and persuasive wins the argument. Please talk about this guy - he must split opinion for a reason! - but qualify it with all of the reasons why! End of rant about the toxicity of internet discourse. I must admit having never seen him play, and based solely on the posts on this forum that I have no idea as to whether we’re signing the best or worst player in the game, but that he must be one or the other. I suspect as you elude to he is most likely neither, and his success will be based on his deployment. As I asked on the Rashica thread, having not seen him either, could someone who has seen him tell us his strengths and weaknesses? I understand that he’s quick, and pace is something we need, but if he’s not going to be the assist merchant we need, why not? Can he not cross, pass, take someone on? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, paul514 said: I am going to chime in knowing very little about the player but just looking at the lads stats and I will break them down to add something to the debate. Ajax (1 Season) 13 Goals, 6 Assists, 3074 minutes which works out to 34 full games. That is 19 goal contributions in 34 games. Lyon (All Seasons) 33 Goals, 17 Assists, 7649 minutes which works out to 85 full games. That is 50 goal contributions in 85 games. Lyon (Last season but included in the above stats) 4 Goals, 5 Assists, 1913 minutes which works out to 21 full games. That is a 9 goal contribution in 21 games. So that is the raw unarguable data on Bertrand Traore, I put in last seasons stats because people said he was so terrible. My conclusion based on his goal contributions is he should be a good signing. That makes for interesting reading indeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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