JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) On 24/11/2021 at 12:20, Mazrim said: Get him back ASAP. This kid is special and being treated like a joke. What if he's actually not that " special " though? The amount of " special " kids who come through and then fall down the league's are in the thousands I'm sure. Edited November 25, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: What if he's actually not that " special " though? The amount of " special " kids who come through and then fall down the league's are in the thousands I'm sure. He’s always look good to me but never really ‘special’. Carney on the other hand has that something special. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 If you're saying 'what if Barry isn't that special' then you might as well say it about any of our current highly rated youngsters, because we've only got what they've done at youth level to go by, none of them have performed at first team level yet, but a number of them, including Barry, have done enough for us to be very hopeful for them, as I said if we can't be hopeful for someone like Barry then might as well close the academy, he's arguably the best forward we've had in the academy since Grealish, how people can not rate what he's done at academy level is beyond me, unless they've only seen him a couple of times when he's happend to have off games. I think it's really short sighted to write him off just because his loan with Ipswich hasn't worked out, are people completey ignoring the fact that after he went there they then went and signed another three or four attackers and not just any attackers, but players proven at championship level and another that had been playing Ligue 1, of course his chances were going to be limited after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: He’s always look good to me but never really ‘special’. Carney on the other hand has that something special. From what i've seen ( Obviously some people have seen alot more ) I still have Jacob Ramsey, Aaron Ramsey, JPB and now Archer, ahead of him as " special ". I've only seen " flashes " from Chuk. Barry undoubtedly has the speed, ability to get around players and top notch finishing ability, however, it will eventually count for nothing if he can't perform with " Men ". ( Not like an R & B group or anything, on the pitch, obviously ) I've always said that, I often find the " overhyped " kids rarely live up to it, it's the hardworking creepers who tend to come out of nowhere and break through. IMO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 50 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: From what i've seen ( Obviously some people have seen alot more ) I still have Jacob Ramsey, Aaron Ramsey, JPB and now Archer, ahead of him as " special ". I've only seen " flashes " from Chuk. Barry undoubtedly has the speed, ability to get around players and top notch finishing ability, however, it will eventually count for nothing if he can't perform with " Men ". ( Not like an R & B group or anything, on the pitch, obviously ) I've always said that, I often find the " overhyped " kids rarely live up to it, it's the hardworking creepers who tend to come out of nowhere and break through. IMO Agree with this. I've never been all that impressed with Barry tbh. A. Ramsey, Carney, Kessler and J. Ramsey will all turn out to be better players. Whether any of them turn in to regular PL players is still yet to be seen (J. Ramsey obviously off to a cracking start on that front!). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) I don't really have a strong opinion on any of our youth players. I just think a dose of skepticism is healthy. Feels like some people are way too sure that we have future PL superstars in the making. But professing any sort of doubt as to whether they'll make it immediately gets labelled as "writing them off". Edited November 25, 2021 by Laughable Chimp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: What if he's actually not that " special " though? The amount of " special " kids who come through and then fall down the league's are in the thousands I'm sure. Ah… Dan Crowley… Thought he was Mr Big Spuds, ditched us for Arsenal and then his career went to shit… Deserved 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post useless Posted November 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2021 Saying that Barry has done very well and been a standout performer at youth level and being of the opinion that he shouldn't be written off just because his loan with Ipswich hasn't worked out, isn't the same as being sure he will be a PL superstar, it's being realistic and fair, he's still only eighteen, doesn't turn nineteen until June next year, Archer last season could barely get in the Solihull team in the National League, and he was a year older than Barry is now. I think people look at extreme outliers like Bellingham and others performing at top teams at such a young age and then unfairly judge other youngsters by that standard and in doing so lose sight of how young the likes of Barry, Chukwuemeka and so on are, we've got players around their age still playing U18 football and haven't even established themselves at U23 level yet, even taking his failed loan with Ipswich into account Barry is way ahead of schedule... As someone who had only just turned eighteen he did well to get interest from League One clubs in the first place, it's not for nothing that he was wanted on loan by teams like Ipswich and Sunderland, you don't get interest from those clubs as a player that's barely turned eighteen if you're not highly rated and haven't been very impressive at U23 level. There's no guarantees he will make it, but he's pretty much got just as much chance as anyone else that's come through the academy in recent years. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 9 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: What if he's actually not that " special " though? The amount of " special " kids who come through and then fall down the league's are in the thousands I'm sure. There's no guarantee and the margins are so fine that the slightest thing can send a great talents career spiralling. I think he could be special and we need to give him every chance to be that. Stalling at a shithouse club that won't play him is not that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) It really isnt complicated. Paul Cook is a terrible manager. At least at Ipswich which is where I have seen him over the past year or so. He has been given two of the most expensive squads in league one. The first he inherited last year and he bomb squaded almost all of them because he didnt like that they couldnt play his only formation, he insists on playing his same rigid formation regardless of opposition or players. So the new owners bought him a brand new expensive squad. Which he has also failed with. Plus star loans like Barry which he desperately wanted but then decided never to play. With the best backing in League one he is currently 13th. Thats if you are just judging him on this season, if you include last season its even worse. Apparently Ipswich's owners are over in a few weeks so they will likely boot him then and get in a competent manager. If we ever See Paul Cook managing at league one level again I will be surprised. He is way out of his depth. He needs to go learn his craft in the lower leagues and earn the right to manage good players. Edited November 25, 2021 by ciggiesnbeer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I think the point is, he was loaned out to Ipswich to get game time. If he ain't playing that is down to the Cook being a ******. I also have it on good knowledge, there has now been a fall out with Cook and Barry will be back in January, he's not even being looked after in training and has learnt nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Lets get him back then and rebuild any lost confidence. Send Jaden on loan for the rest of the season as he could do with regular game time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 some hilarious and aggressively cynical comments promising youth player has failed loan at League One club, must mean he was sh*te all along and won't make it for Villa... despite Archer almost being written off and forgotten after not managing to impress whilst on loan with a conference team despite Harry Kane having a series of terrible loans, I think even Gabby was awful on loan... But no he really pulled the wool over all our eyes, the goal against Liverpool and prolific scoring records at youth level and the signing for Barcelona were all an elaborate ruse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 15 hours ago, Mic09 said: Or maybe he isn't - youth development is weird, you can be a baller at 16 and at 18 you just disappear into lower leagues. I hope he is special, but I haven't seen anything to back it up yet. Nothing at all? He was picked for one of the most prestigious academies in the world, was instrumental in winning the youth Cup, scored a blinder against Liverpool and has looked head and shoulders above players in his age group. There's a reason we paid big money for him as a child. Nobody has said he's guaranteed to be a success because that would be daft. But has he down he can be special? Yes, no doubt in my mind. Don't let the great judgement of mighty Ipswich cast a shadow on that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 10 hours ago, Mazrim said: Nothing at all? He was picked for one of the most prestigious academies in the world, was instrumental in winning the youth Cup, scored a blinder against Liverpool and has looked head and shoulders above players in his age group. There's a reason we paid big money for him as a child. Nobody has said he's guaranteed to be a success because that would be daft. But has he down he can be special? Yes, no doubt in my mind. Don't let the great judgement of mighty Ipswich cast a shadow on that. Lets not discount how big a club Ipswich are… They are a big club in the grand scheme of things… The fact that their manager is a complete knob and pissed 6 months of a promising youth players development up the wall isn’t Ipswich’s fault… Hang on… What am I defending Ipswich for?! Richard Wright assaulted Luc Nilis and wrote off his career… **** em! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DJ_Villain said: Hang on… What am I defending Ipswich for?! Glad you realized your mistake Edited November 26, 2021 by Steero113 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 We have so many young hopefuls, but, although most will have decent careers, few will make it to the top. You are spreading your net widely; you will bring up a lot of minnows and the occasional big fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 It's possible that Barry is a special talent AND isn't ready yet for men's football. There's an obsession on here sometimes with being the first to call something. It'll be a couple of years before we know what his level is, but he's obviously a very gifted footballer. Hard to see what he's getting out of this loan move, though. Time to bring him back? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Maybe recall and try him out at a smaller and more cosy league two or national league club closer to Villa. Walsall or Solihull Moors or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, DJ_Villain said: Lets not discount how big a club Ipswich are… They are a big club in the grand scheme of things… The fact that their manager is a complete knob and pissed 6 months of a promising youth players development up the wall isn’t Ipswich’s fault… Hang on… What am I defending Ipswich for?! Richard Wright assaulted Luc Nilis and wrote off his career… **** em! They're not a big club in anyway. They were successful about 40 years ago maybe? In my entire life time they've had one competent season and that was 20 years and they got relegated immediately after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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