villan_007 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 The absolute dross that has been Aston Villa over these last yrs has now created a debate that strikers don't need service to score goals. An absolute mind boggler. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 22, 2017 Moderator Share Posted April 22, 2017 8 hours ago, villan_007 said: The absolute dross that has been Aston Villa over these last yrs has now created a debate that strikers don't need service to score goals. An absolute mind boggler. And also imaginary, as no one has said that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 9 hours ago, villan_007 said: The absolute dross that has been Aston Villa over these last yrs has now created a debate that strikers don't need service to score goals. An absolute mind boggler. I much prefer forwards though that can create goals out of nothing. Our best in recent times have done that...Kodjia and Benteke could take a speculative ball hoofed forward, control it, beat a couple of men and finish past the keeper. In the modern game now you need your main striker to be more than a goal hanger reliant on inch perfect crosses he can tap in from 5 yards. Take the case of Darren Bent. Excellent with Young and Downing either side of him but he really became obsolete for us once they left. Scored a few tap ins and penalties but there were some games when he'd only have 7 or 8 touches of the ball which is no good if you want to control games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted April 22, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2017 Come on Scotty lad, big game tomorrow for you! Bag is a goal or 3! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Worst player on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 Just now, DCJonah said: Worst player on the pitch. Harsh, more like stupid tactics. The players were just feeding him balls like he was Rudy but any idiot accept our team knows you need to play the ball on the floor with hogan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 We gave him nothing but then again he did nothing. Extremely limited player, no pace and slumped shoulders most the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Harsh, more like stupid tactics. The players were just feeding him balls like he was Rudy but any idiot accept our team knows you need to play the ball on the floor with hogan Even when it came to him, his touch was poor, he was weak, little effort. Completely ineffective. Needs to up it big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Why did we sell Gestede and buy this guy if this is the way we intend to use him? Although I clearly see why we sold Gestede... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Just now, sne said: Why did we sell Gestede and buy this guy if this is the way we intend to use him? Although I clearly see why we sold Gestede... That really is the question. I am loathe to criticise him too much because we do not play football. How many one twos do we play in the final third, how much movement is there and players playing off each? Zero. We don't pull teams apart or even try to. We are a terrible side who at most get 4 paases together in the final third. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Looking like another great signing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 He needs better support. hopefully next season will see him flourish and back amongst the goals. too early to condemn him to the scrap heap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 He was shit. It's going to be a struggle for him. Probably a few things at play, firstly he is playing in a side that does not create chances regularly, secondly I think this has affected his confidence and thirdly I'd say the fee we paid and the size of the club is potentially creating a lot of pressure and anxiety. Let's be honest, he has gone from a very small time club to a legitimately big club in terms of stadium, stature and expectation, not everyone can deal with this. I'm still going to be optimistic and think he'll do better next season but clear to me that we should be never paying this sort of fee for this level of player ever again. The fact that we paid up to three times more for Hogan than what Swansea paid for Fernando Llorente exposes some deep flaws in our transfer policy. Not saying we should have been in for Llorente (as we'd have no chance) just that we are not maximising value effectively enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted April 23, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2017 45 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: He was shit. It's going to be a struggle for him. Probably a few things at play, firstly he is playing in a side that does not create chances regularly, secondly I think this has affected his confidence and thirdly I'd say the fee we paid and the size of the club is potentially creating a lot of pressure and anxiety. Let's be honest, he has gone from a very small time club to a legitimately big club in terms of stadium, stature and expectation, not everyone can deal with this. I'm still going to be optimistic and think he'll do better next season but clear to me that we should be never paying this sort of fee for this level of player ever again. The fact that we paid up to three times more for Hogan than what Swansea paid for Fernando Llorente exposes some deep flaws in our transfer policy. Not saying we should have been in for Llorente (as we'd have no chance) just that we are not maximising value effectively enough. Irrespective of anything else, this is the main problem. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I still can't put any blame on him. We lump it long and expect him to win headers and never pass him the ball when he makes a run, what can he do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Signed to play up front as a 2 man strike force and our manager has done this on how many times? I suspect he may not get many chances at this club which is a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 preseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 We really don't play to his strengths and that in turn has drained his confidence. We need to work out how to get more out of him and hourihane, who on paper should be ideal for each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I think criticism of Hogan in this thread is unfair, he is new to the club and area, we'll see the best of him from next season in my opinion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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