DCJonah Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, av1 said: Sorry mate, disagree entirely. The majority of strikers need service. His movement is fantastic and he showed at Brentford that he will score bucket loads when playing in a cohesive unit. There is a reason he was on the verge of joining a premier league team. He wouldn't be the first player to have a decent run at one club and fail to deliver it when stepping up to a bigger one. Kodjia doesn't rely on perfect service all the time. Neither does Gabby when he's played. Players can still get involved in the game and make things happen when inch perfect passes aren't always coming. I've seen very little from Hogan at the moment. I'm not writing him off completely, i think there's more to come but he's struggling big time at the moment. To just blame service let's him off the hook for some pretty woeful displays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, DCJonah said: He wouldn't be the first player to have a decent run at one club and fail to deliver it when stepping up to a bigger one. But we aren't talking about building a team around him, or even radically changing a system to suit him. We are simply talking about putting a couple of blokes behind him that can spot a run and pass a football, i feel that's not too much to ask at this level of football. You can see from the runs he makes that he is a clever kid and a good player. He will come good. 14 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Players can still get involved in the game and make things happen when inch perfect passes aren't always coming. Just to touch on my post above, how do you think someone like Michael Owen would have done in this team? Playing infront of Gardner and Jedinak? 14 minutes ago, DCJonah said: To just blame service let's him off the hook for some pretty woeful displays. Watch todays game back. He probably made a dozen good runs that were not seen by the idiots behind him. I think there is more than enough justification to cut the guy some slack. Edited April 17, 2017 by av1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted April 17, 2017 He's shown enough to me to suggest he will be a success with a bit more creativity behind him. The midfielders haven't worked out how each other play yet let alone a new striker who has very little game time for us so far. Once they start to spot his runs he will be in far more. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 4 hours ago, VillaChris said: He needs to massively step up for the next game now. Anyone know if he scored much for Brentford v SHA? Their defence would rather face him than Kodjia. he has 1 in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 For me this is Hogans chance to become a hero. He will be up top by himself against our hated rivals. He needs a midfield of lansbury and hourihane who can pick out his runs. There is no doubt blose will try another the space he has so we need a midfield of Adomah lansbury hourihane grealish Jedinak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted April 20, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted April 20, 2017 I think it's time to start scoring Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 Has Hogan scored last blose this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 18 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Has Hogan scored last blose this season? Scored in both games against Birmingham for Brentford this season. He was also Man of the Match in the last game against them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 On 4/17/2017 at 18:50, DCJonah said: He wouldn't be the first player to have a decent run at one club and fail to deliver it when stepping up to a bigger one. Kodjia doesn't rely on perfect service all the time. Neither does Gabby when he's played. Players can still get involved in the game and make things happen when inch perfect passes aren't always coming. I've seen very little from Hogan at the moment. I'm not writing him off completely, i think there's more to come but he's struggling big time at the moment. To just blame service let's him off the hook for some pretty woeful displays. It's almost like Angel's first season for us, he makes some brilliant run's but no one see's them. Occasionally they do, but the ball to him is way to late and he is in an offside position, this is something he was getting frustrated with on Monday. As the team starts playing with more cohesion we will see some of his run's rewarded. The service from midfield has let us down all season unfortunately. Just look at the amount of goals we have scored compared to the rest of the teams in the top half of this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted April 20, 2017 Visiting Supporter Share Posted April 20, 2017 Until the manager allows Lansbury and Hourihane to play their natural game Hogan will continue to struggle and so will the rest of the team. It isn't a player issue. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 On 15/04/2017 at 19:05, Farlz said: To be fair he can play as a lone striker, he did so with Brentford and look how well he done. He just doesn't get enough service with us right now, he gets about 1 good chance a game. That's the big issue. To me, the chances he gets - he misses - that's the big issue IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 2 hours ago, wilko154 said: Scored in both games against Birmingham for Brentford this season. He was also Man of the Match in the last game against them. Feed the hogster and he will score! I want to see more from Hogan hopefully Sunday with the right midfield behind him he will get chances. I think he might play grealish behind Hogan on sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 2 hours ago, striker said: Until the manager allows Lansbury and Hourihane to play their natural game Hogan will continue to struggle and so will the rest of the team. It isn't a player issue. Of course it is. How Kjodia can score in almost every other game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 They are completely different strikers with different assets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted April 20, 2017 Visiting Supporter Share Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, hippo said: Of course it is. How Kjodia can score in almost every other game. I can't speak for all of Kodjia's goals as I haven't seen all of them but he does tend to make quite a few on his own plus more recently he has capitalised on defensive mistakes. Hogan on the other hand tends to prey on the through ball and chances made by others. Edited April 20, 2017 by striker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 It's his time to shine. I hope he really takes the opportunity to smash in a winner for us against the sullied ones. what a way that would be to gain the support of the fans and prove he has the potential to be as lethal as our beloved Kodija. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 2 hours ago, striker said: I can't speak for all of Kodjia's goals as I haven't seen all of them but he does tend to make quite a few on his own plus more recently he has capitalised on defensive mistakes. Hogan on the other hand tends to prey on the through ball and chances made by others. So it is player issue then ? I think be 'create his own' you mean that Kjodia can beat a defender before a having a shot on goal - not an unreasonable quality for a striker to have ?. Hogan seems barely able to bring the ball under control when he receives it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 20, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) I know it's early days, and I know he's had injury issues, but I'm not sure about this player. When Brentford are on song they create and score chances for fun. I hope Hogan isn't a player who needs 3 chances to put away 1, we just don't create all that much. Looking at Brentford's team, Vibe has scored 15 and has 8 assists, maybe we should have signed him instead? Edited April 20, 2017 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Create chances and he will score. Kodija and him are completely different players. Kodija scores goals all on his own where as Hogan needs service. I think he's got a touch of the Kevin Phillips about him and he loved a derby. Bruce needs to let Hourihane and Lansbury play higher up and he'll get more chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Needs to step up Sunday. Big money signing, I'm sure he has ambition to play in the premier league. Has to show it. I don't think it's acceptable to excuse a nothing performance by blaming the rest of the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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