Bertrand Traoré

[Delphinho123]

13 hours ago, gwi1890 said:

Yeah he’s had such a poor season level on assist and 3 goals less than Mane, Bale and Sterling is really poor should really be hitting 20 goals per season and be in the running for the pfa player of the year 

Who have also had poor seasons by their standards. 

Stats don’t paint the whole picture. I really hope we sign a right winger in the Summer to replace Traore. 

[Keyblade]

29 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

Who have also had poor seasons by their standards. 

Stats don’t paint the whole picture. I really hope we sign a right winger in the Summer to replace Traore. 

It'll probably be a merry-go-round of right wingers every season until we find one that hits the ground running in his first PL season the way this is going.

[Adam2003]

12 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

It'll probably be a merry-go-round of right wingers every season until we find one that hits the ground running in his first PL season the way this is going.

If only we’d signed Benrahma with his 0 goals then everyone would be happy

[PaulC]

9 minutes ago, Adam2003 said:

If only we’d signed Benrahma with his 0 goals then everyone would be happy

To be fair he would have got more game time at Villa and Smith would have got more out of him. 

[avfc1982am]

Zero chance we will replace him this summer. With players leaving and several other positions requiring strengthening and back up, he isn't being replaced anytime soon.  

He deserves the time to settle and prove his worth instead of the constant calls to replace him already. With similar logic that would have seen Targett offloaded or replaced last summer, due to his lack of first season consistency.

I'd rather transfer some of our fans than the players.

[gwi1890]

3 hours ago, Delphinho123 said:

Who have also had poor seasons by their standards. 

Stats don’t paint the whole picture. I really hope we sign a right winger in the Summer to replace Traore. 

No stats don’t paint the whole picture,  but the signing hasn’t been a failure by a long shot , Im sure we will sign another forward  to compete hopefully one that can play left or right, but we can’t complain to much on Traore’s return this season he’s been frustrating at times yes and been absolutely magical at other times , inconsistent is the word but I can’t see many consistent wingers in the premier league tbh it’s a difficult position 

[cheltenham_villa]

Solid first season. Great in some games, anonymous in others. Should improve next season after more time with the team. 

[villalad21]

22 hours ago, gwi1890 said:

Yeah he’s had such a poor season level on assist and 3 goals less than Mane, Bale and Sterling is really poor should really be hitting 20 goals per season and be in the running for the pfa player of the year 

Stats can often be very misleading.

I am going by his general play.

Flashes of brilliance doesn't really hold that much weight for me. More often than not this guy is a liability to the team. Doesn't press. Doesn't track back well. Poor decision making.

[YLN]

Traore is my favourite Villa player at the moment. He's the closest to a Merson we've had since Merson. 

Don't @ me

[MaVilla]

2 minutes ago, YLN said:

Traore is my favourite Villa player at the moment. He's the closest to a Merson we've had since Merson. 

Don't @ me

ok @YLN no problem, i defo wont @YLN u, i promise @YLN.

love and kisses.

[gwi1890]

5 minutes ago, villalad21 said:

Stats can often be very misleading.

I am going by his general play.

Flashes of brilliance doesn't really hold that much weight for me. More often than not this guy is a liability to the team. Doesn't press. Doesn't track back well. Poor decision making.

He’s been tracking back though despite what Hinchcliff tells you each game, I agree it doesn’t come naturally to him but there’s been a considerable improvement in his tracking back since beginning of the season , he’s often pressed at the right time such as against Arsenal which resulted in us winning the game,  he needs to Improve no doubt but I think he will 

[villalad21]

Just now, gwi1890 said:

He’s been tracking back though despite what Hinchcliff tells you each game, I agree it doesn’t come naturally to him but there’s been a considerable improvement in his tracking back since beginning of the season , he’s often pressed at the right time such as against Arsenal which resulted in us winning the game,  he needs to Improve no doubt but I think he will 

Yeah he tries but there is no intensity with him.

He is just so damn casual and lazy on too many occasions.

[Delphinho123]

25 minutes ago, villalad21 said:

Yeah he tries but there is no intensity with him.

He is just so damn casual and lazy on too many occasions.

I’m with you. He’s too slow and weak in my book. Lovely first touch and quite a silky player at times but nowhere near good enough for where we want to be.

Ive said it before, but the one thing we almost unanimously agree on is the need for a new right winger in the Summer window. This wouldn’t be the case if Traore was performing. 

He’ll be a squad player next season hopefully. 

[MotoMkali]

2 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

I’m with you. He’s too slow and weak in my book. Lovely first touch and quite a silky player at times but nowhere near good enough for where we want to be.

Ive said it before, but the one thing we almost unanimously agree on is the need for a new right winger in the Summer window. This wouldn’t be the case if Traore was performing. 

He’ll be a squad player next season hopefully. 

I personally don't think a starting RW is that important. For Me LW and Cdm are the key positions. And definitely need backups for the full backs and Konsa. RW is only the priority after that. 

[May-Z]

Quick flick through wingers signed in the PL last summer

Willian,

Zyech,

Lookman,

Costa,

Harrison,

Raphina,

Jota,

Fraser,

Burke,

Bale,

Dianganna,

Robinson

Benrahma.

I think our signing of Troare stands up well for price and contribution very well when compared to those.

However, he's a bit too slight to be a constant threat. He'll beat every player he comes up against once or twice a game, but for the rest of it will be easy to defend against. 

I love him. He'd be great to watch in the flesh, but I think he needs to make full backs work harder to win the overall battle against him.

 

 

 

[villalad21]

30 minutes ago, MotoMkali said:

I personally don't think a starting RW is that important. For Me LW and Cdm are the key positions. And definitely need backups for the full backs and Konsa. RW is only the priority after that. 

Replacing Traore with someone like Buendia would be huge for us. 

[VillanousOne]

It's been a long time since i can remember a player who has similar skills to Traore (Grealish aside), maybe Carbone and Merson as some have said.

Also this idea that he doesn't track back and is lazy, is utter bollarks. Since he joined he has got better and better at tracking back and covers a great deal of ground.

The issue is, he's not a defender or wing back, positionally he needs coaching and to be more disciplined when tracking players. It's similar with Anwar. Even Trez isn't defensively that good, he is just fast and more likely to tackle further up the pitch. Grealish will run with a man, but rarely does he make that many tackles or blocks, nor should he need to.

Traore has suffered in games without Grealish and Cash, because Elmo and Barkley are next to useless (at times) in the final third.

Also I still think he would be better in a central role because he is so one footed, I would definitely play him in the Barkley role and see how he does.

Overall though I think he has done far better than I thought he would, he is a joy to watch, even if he goes missing and can be incredibly frustrating at times. I think he will thrive once we have Grealish, Cash and a few better new players in the team.

Edited May 15, 2021 by VillanousOne

[Jas10]

He’s improving and becoming more disciplined, it will take time.

He really has magic in his boots, very entertaining to watch.

He bust a gut and did excellently to intercept Pogba on the edge of our box, for example.

[KentVillan]

2 hours ago, villalad21 said:

Stats can often be very misleading.

I am going by his general play.

Flashes of brilliance doesn't really hold that much weight for me. More often than not this guy is a liability to the team. Doesn't press. Doesn't track back well. Poor decision making.

He's definitely erratic, but he contributes defensively (quite good in the air as well), and he's one of those players who often makes very difficult things look so simple that he doesn't get any credit for them.

His ability to turn both ways at right angles is amazing - think the assist for Watkins in the 3-1 against Fulham is a good example, but he does stuff like that around the box all the time.

Also has decent delivery on long crosses and set pieces, and a decent scoring record for a winger.

Definitely a flawed player, and we might move him on in 2 or 3 years, but for the time being he's a regular starter in my book, unless we sign someone amazing this summer.

[villan-scott]

On 14/05/2021 at 21:00, villalad21 said:

If he is our starting RW next season we have failed in the marked. 

Unfair to say we would have failed in the market if Traore is still starting IMO. He is good, and will likely improve next season as he continues to develop and settle.