KenjiOgiwara Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, MentalM said: My meaning was that many of the players we signed before last season has improved THIS season. Targett, Konsa, Luiz, Nakamba, Trezeguet Heaton, Wesley and Engels hard to say anything about with all the injuries. I am not including the players that were signed after being on loan (El Ghazi and Mings). The abovementioned things lead to my comment that I believe Traore can be much better if we give him another season Disagree. Heaton is excellent. Wesley and Engels were both pretty mixed bag, but both averaged on the shite side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Traorè or saïd benrahma? You decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MentalM Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Disagree. Heaton is excellent. Wesley and Engels were both pretty mixed bag, but both averaged on the shite side. Fair enough. I believe Heaton was far better than what we were used to. However I also believe he never settled properly before the injury, and I cant say he was that good as I expected him to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) I think out of last year's signings, only El Ghazi undisputedly improved. I don't buy the idea that our defenders have improved. Luiz has arguably regressed. Mings is still as error prone as ever. Targett I could see genuinely improvement in but idk about Konsa. I think what happened was that we significantly changed our style of play after lockdown because what we were doing clearly wasn't working. We learned to defend as a team much better but as a side effect, we lost a lot of cutting edge in attack(which is why almost all of our goals scored post lockdown last season went through deadball situations via Hourihane). This season we retained that post-lockdown solidity in defense after upgrading Guilbert with Cash and adding Martinez as goalkeeper improved our defense considerably. But at times, it feels like our attack has been very toothless. Originally we relied on the monstrous form of Grealish so now we had to rely on Watkins who's a great player but he isn't Jack Grealish. Traore is too inconsistent to be relied on heavily whilst we were lucky with El Ghazi's sudden increase in form. The point I'm trying to make here is that I don't think we're playing all that different to how we were post-lockdown last season. We just considerably upgraded some players. Watkins, Martinez and arguably Cash are some real quality players that I think could significantly threaten most starting 11s including some top teams. Edited May 3, 2021 by Laughable Chimp 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Enda Posted May 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2021 ^ Konsa and Targett are twice the players they were last year. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said: I think out of last year's signings, only El Ghazi undisputedly improved. I don't buy the idea that our defenders have improved. Luiz has arguably regressed. Mings is still as error prone as ever. Targett I could see genuinely improvement in but idk about Konsa. I think what happened was that we significantly changed our style of play after lockdown because what we were doing clearly wasn't working. We learned to defend as a team much better but as a side effect, we lost a lot of cutting edge in attack(which is why almost all of our goals scored post lockdown last season went through deadball situations via Hourihane). This season we retained that post-lockdown solidity in defense after upgrading Guilbert with Cash and adding Martinez as goalkeeper improved our defense considerably. But at times, it feels like our attack has been very toothless. Originally we relied on the monstrous form of Grealish so now we had to rely on Watkins who's a great player but he isn't Jack Grealish. Traore is too inconsistent to be relied on heavily whilst we were lucky with El Ghazi's sudden increase in form. The point I'm trying to make here is that I don't think we're playing all that different to how we were post-lockdown last season. We just considerably upgraded some players. Watkins, Martinez and arguably Cash are some real quality players that I think could significantly threaten most starting 11s including some top teams. Do you watch our games on Ceefax? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Remember when we were discussing whether or not he even meant to score his first goal against Bristol City? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 ankle breaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said: I don't buy the idea that our defenders have improved. Sorry (I know this is the Bertie thread) but..... WHAT? Edited May 4, 2021 by Steero113 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, MaVilla said: ankle breaker So many fall over themselves after he goes past them I love watching him. Edited May 4, 2021 by sparrow1988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 1 hour ago, MaVilla said: ankle breaker Someone needs to edit this up in a similar way to this all time classic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 After he did that skill look how he nonchalantly passes it to Barkley. He’s a natural and when confident and playing instinctively he is a top player. When not so confident and having too much time to think is when he doesn’t look so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Nice goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 He is legit quality... Yes... there are holes in his game and aspects that he could improve on... but he does have a master stroke, moment of brilliance in him... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Very unpredictable, divides opinion on here but boy I’ve enjoyed watching him this season. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Excited to see what he can do next year if he keeps developing. Some amazing talent in there amongst some admitted madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted May 9, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2021 Bertie, you're an enigma, but I'll keep you for another year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Super finish, thanks for the short lived excitement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Great goal, also 1 good cross and 1 good interception..... And pretty poor the rest of the game, lost the ball countless times in several different ways, misplacing passes, refusing to pass the ball, falling over, refusing to make a simple pass, trying to take on too many players. When we have limited time on the ball we can't afford to be so wasteful and he was very wasteful today. It's all or nothing with this chap this season. Fingers crossed he can step up and learn how and when to make the bread and butter passes and quicker passing. Just doing that will make him a much better player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, brummybloke said: Great goal, also 1 good cross and 1 good interception..... And pretty poor the rest of the game, lost the ball countless times in several different ways, misplacing passes, refusing to pass the ball, falling over, refusing to make a simple pass, trying to take on too many players. When we have limited time on the ball we can't afford to be so wasteful and he was very wasteful today. It's all or nothing with this chap this season. Fingers crossed he can step up and learn how and when to make the bread and butter passes and quicker passing. Just doing that will make him a much better player. I love and hate him. Great goal but he then leaves Cash so exposed because his defensive awareness for most of the game. I wish he was an alternative than a starter based on current appearances but it’s his first season and I hope he works on his weaknesses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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