Eastie Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Stoke kept a load of big names after relegation and it hasn't done them much good so far. Mings is a regular for England now, can't believe given his background he'd just given that up for at least one season. Ultimately if he's in the championship likes of Tomori and others will start getting picked ahead of him. I'd love him to stay but think he'd push for a move. And again we don't know if there was a release clause in the permanent deal he signed last summer. You'd imagine any competant agent would include one for their client given wage cuts will happen. It's easy saying keep the best players but last time we went down Ayew was our best/most proven attacking player and yet him staying until January didn't stop us going into mid table. If it helps I'm pretty confident McGinn will stay until January so there's one favourite who I think would stick around. Can’t agree sadly , I think mcginn Grealish and mings would all be gone As for luiz - some good games but too inconsistent - lacks the battling quality needed Edited February 22, 2020 by Eastie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Eastie said: As for luiz - some good games but too inconsistent - lacks the battling quality needed He'll shine in a settled team. Can see him bossing it at a club like Everton, like Gueye did. Edited February 22, 2020 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooJung Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 4 hours ago, VillaChris said: Stoke kept a load of big names after relegation and it hasn't done them much good so far. Mings is a regular for England now, can't believe given his background he'd just given that up for at least one season. Ultimately if he's in the championship likes of Tomori and others will start getting picked ahead of him. I'd love him to stay but think he'd push for a move. And again we don't know if there was a release clause in the permanent deal he signed last summer. You'd imagine any competant agent would include one for their client given wage cuts will happen. It's easy saying keep the best players but last time we went down Ayew was our best/most proven attacking player and yet him staying until January didn't stop us going into mid table. If it helps I'm pretty confident McGinn will stay until January so there's one favourite who I think would stick around. I can see mings staying if we go down, he's been good, but he hasn't been outstanding, he just sound for 25ish million pounds, we won't be selling him for less and I can't see many teams matching that price for him, as he hasn't really justified it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 The first person I would gladly sell in the event of relegation. Absolute non entity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spray Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) He's crap. I was watching him closely on Saturday and everything he did annoyed me immensely. Biggest candyfloss player in the league by miles. Edited February 23, 2020 by Spray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Poor today but we are waiting for a youngling to come good for us, it was the wrong strategy for a new team coming into the PL. To rely on a 21 year old Luiz to do the business for us week in week out was naive and we're getting found out for it. If we stay up (big if) then he'd be better next season, if he was currently playing for Arsenal or Chelsea he'd be great I believe. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Poor today but we are waiting for a youngling to come good for us, it was the wrong strategy for a new team coming into the PL. To rely on a 21 year old Luiz to do the business for us week in week out was naive and we're getting found out for it. If we stay up (big if) then he'd be better next season, if he was currently playing for Arsenal or Chelsea he'd be great I believe. I think he's definitely better than he's showing for us right now and would look better in a higher level team. But he isn't good enough atm to play for an Arsenal or Chelsea team anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spray Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Poor today but we are waiting for a youngling to come good for us, it was the wrong strategy for a new team coming into the PL. To rely on a 21 year old Luiz to do the business for us week in week out was naive and we're getting found out for it. Neves was 21 when the dingles got back to the PL last season and their current left winger (Neto) is aged 19. We have an excuse for everything if you ask me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_eristic Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 This must be just about the most fickle thread in VT history. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 7 hours ago, the_eristic said: This must be just about the most fickle thread in VT history. It isn't fickle at all, posters have been consistent throughout the entire length of the 166 pages in stating that he is 21. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 23, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted February 23, 2020 I must admit I haven't seen whatever it is with him that gets people excited about what a great player he will be. Thought Spurs last week was his best game for us but at best he's been bang average most of the time. Not hot and cold, cold or luke warm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 9 hours ago, poitier said: It isn't fickle at all, posters have been consistent throughout the entire length of the 166 pages in stating that he is 21. Just wait until he turns 22. You'll see how fickle these fans are then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Should not be starting, he is slow, undisciplined lacks any kind of bottle and at this moment in time is not good enough. Impact sub only for me. Also baffled by some of the comments saying how great he is ? Not seeing anything more than a couple flicks here and there and very little else. And when he repeatedly lacks awareness when receiving the ball and aimlessly hits it back to a defender ( if hes lucky) constantly putting our defence under even more pressure, it leads to disaster the majority of the time. Needs to speed up mentally and physically before I woukd be choosing him to start. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted February 25, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2020 out of the current crop (aside from the obvious i.e. jack, mings, mcginn) he's the only one that i see going on to better things like guaye, veretout etc did. i do think there's a player there. problem is that we'll never see it. he's here for a work permit, that's it. bottles every challenge and will continue to do so (after all, a big injury means his work permit is delayed). i literally cannot stand the bloke and would happily get rid. he's one that is absolutely not up for the fight and i've thought this ever since he let traore coast past him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 40 minutes ago, tomav84 said: out of the current crop (aside from the obvious i.e. jack, mings, mcginn) he's the only one that i see going on to better things like guaye, veretout etc did. i do think there's a player there. problem is that we'll never see it. he's here for a work permit, that's it. bottles every challenge and will continue to do so (after all, a big injury means his work permit is delayed). i literally cannot stand the bloke and would happily get rid. he's one that is absolutely not up for the fight and i've thought this ever since he let traore coast past him Do not understand or agree with anything in bold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I think he flatters to deceive, if Pep truly rated him or thought he was 'one for the future' he'd still be a Man City player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 23/02/2020 at 12:08, poitier said: It isn't fickle at all, posters have been consistent throughout the entire length of the 166 pages in stating that he is 21. just wait till we start discussing how tall he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 23/02/2020 at 22:08, brummybloke said: Should not be starting, he is slow, undisciplined lacks any kind of bottle and at this moment in time is not good enough. Impact sub only for me. Also baffled by some of the comments saying how great he is ? Not seeing anything more than a couple flicks here and there and very little else. And when he repeatedly lacks awareness when receiving the ball and aimlessly hits it back to a defender ( if hes lucky) constantly putting our defence under even more pressure, it leads to disaster the majority of the time. Needs to speed up mentally and physically before I woukd be choosing him to start. Lacks bottle? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Just now, Tom13 said: Lacks bottle? Really? Yep, physically and mentally, rather than turn with the ball just hits it straight back at defenders, every game without fail at least half the time we try and play it out from the back. Wont tackle, point blank refuses instead tries shoulder barging which gives away free kicks over 50 % of the time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted February 25, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, lexicon said: Do not understand or agree with anything in bold. OK - i believe he needs to play X% of games to keep his work permit. i believe this is the only reason he's with us, so that he has a work permit sorted for when he rejoins city, or a better prem side. i believe he bottles every challenge to avoid injury that would affect his chances of keeping his work permit. hope this clarifys my thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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