Stevo985 Posted January 28, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Well I disagree with Mings being the Nyland in that analogy. I don't think he is playing badly. I think he's been decent. It wasn't an analogy based on ability. It was an analogy based on a player in good form vs a player in bad form. I also don't think he's playing BADLY. But I don't think he's playing particularly well. And I don't think it makes him a scapegoat for it to be pointed out. He's our weakest defender at the moment, that's all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I've been critical of Mings but he didn't do anything especially wrong last night, other than being part of a defence including Martinez who all had an off night. The main problem, and it's been a recurring one, is that Traore provides no support on the right hand side, so that Cash ends up being overloaded time and time again. It's OK when we're in the ascendancy as in the first half, but Smith needs to get a bit cuter in his game management and timing of subs. I agree with Stevo that Mings isour weakest defender, but all that really shows is how much we've improved on last season. Mings needs to look at Targett, and realise that doing the basics right is just as important as trying to be a bit more expansive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) My mom sometimes watches the football with me. ( Turned her into a Villa fan lite over the years ). She watched the first half with me yesterday, then went to bed. Told her about the result today, and how we threw it away. I kid you not, she said " Who threw it away, I bet it was Ming's? ". I felt so bad but couldn't help but laugh Awe bless Tyrone man. He can't catch a break! Edited January 28, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It wasn't an analogy based on ability. It was an analogy based on a player in good form vs a player in bad form. I also don't think he's playing BADLY. But I don't think he's playing particularly well. And I don't think it makes him a scapegoat for it to be pointed out. He's our weakest defender at the moment, that's all. I know, I didn't say ability. I disagree with the analogy because Mings is not out of form like Nyland was. Nyland was terrible and we tried to replace him in multiple transfer windows, I can see why when he makes a mistake compared to a Heaton or Martinez, fans have no time for it. There is no way, in my opinion, that Mings is playing so badly, conceding a corner is worthy of blame and criticism for a goal. I think a certain group have just made their minds up about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 28, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, DCJonah said: I know, I didn't say ability. I disagree with the analogy because Mings is not out of form like Nyland was. Nyland was terrible and we tried to replace him in multiple transfer windows, I can see why when he makes a mistake compared to a Heaton or Martinez, fans have no time for it. There is no way, in my opinion, that Mings is playing so badly, conceding a corner is worthy of blame and criticism for a goal. I think a certain group have just made their minds up about him. Well we'll agree to disagree. I don't think he's playing "so badly", but I would say he's in poor form 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 It's never a good thing when you have a player who split fans opinions to the extent that he does. Buying a centre back in the summer would be good for both parties. It will take a lot of pressure off Mings and he is in badly need of some real competition. Him being forced out of the side because we buy a quality centre back could potentially make him less casual and cut out his mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 36 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Well we'll agree to disagree. I don't think he's playing "so badly", but I would say he's in poor form Im not even sure if he is in poor form. I think its just Tyrone. One of those you have to take the good with the bad type players. I sometimes criticise him, but its still hard for me to picture us without Mings in the team. Unfortunately, when we lose, he is always going to come under more scrutinity, sometimes unfairly so, even from myself. If we win, his errors are probably just passing comments. What is more frustrating is that he has all the attributes to be the perfect CB. He will certainly get more time than most, however, as we improve, the fine margins between average and success will become even finer, and he could find himself a victim of ambition if he doesn't fine tune. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 From announce Mings to renounce Mings in less than 2 years. You gotta love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Okonokos Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 hours ago, GingerCollins29 said: Did you measure this? Or is it just another wild, baseless criticism of him I'm guessing it's the latter. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Personally, I think the centre 2 get too exposed. I don't think Tyrone is a natural in the air.....but i would not like to see the team without him in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Risso said: I've been critical of Mings but he didn't do anything especially wrong last night, other than being part of a defence including Martinez who all had an off night. The main problem, and it's been a recurring one, is that Traore provides no support on the right hand side, so that Cash ends up being overloaded time and time again. It's OK when we're in the ascendancy as in the first half, but Smith needs to get a bit cuter in his game management and timing of subs. I agree with Stevo that Mings isour weakest defender, but all that really shows is how much we've improved on last season. Mings needs to look at Targett, and realise that doing the basics right is just as important as trying to be a bit more expansive. I agree with Traore not tracking back, but why can't one of the two CDM's come out wide and let the other one sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Okonokos said: I'm guessing it's the latter. Nah, photoshopped mate, he can't jump 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Well we'll agree to disagree. I don't think he's playing "so badly", but I would say he's in poor form By that logic you must think he's maldini in disguise on most occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 Has won the 2nd most aeriel duels from our players this season, only 2 Burnley players have won more than him all season 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubbs Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Zatman said: Has won the 2nd most aeriel duels from our players this season, only 2 Burnley players have won more than him all season I don't think winning duels is the problem. Its more the 2nd phase, what he does with the ball once he's won it. Seems to enjoy playing long balls a lot which can be easy to defend against when you know there's a 90% chance that's what he'll do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Zatman said: Has won the 2nd most aeriel duels from our players this season, only 2 Burnley players have won more than him all season Which is their game plan. The defenders needed protecting from midfield and didn't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_jW Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Okonokos said: I'm guessing it's the latter. Happy to be proved wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, Dave_jW said: Happy to be proved wrong The question for is what made you be wrong? The little I have watched Mings he routinely beats people in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I wouldn't be surprised if something is going on with him. He doesn't look happy to be here any more. His pointing and shouting seems to lack the convinction it once did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 51 minutes ago, hippo said: I wouldn't be surprised if something is going on with him. He doesn't look happy to be here any more. His pointing and shouting seems to lack the convinction it once did. That's what happens Fans hound him for a couple of months, scape goat him, then question his happiness here God only knows what kind of shit he gets messaged from our finest, especially after he stood up for El ghazi too 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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