Follyfoot Posted September 30, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Thug said: I too want him to stay, but how many times do you think we’ll go 3 up this season? Well the third time will be 7:37 pm on Sunday 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZL- Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 29/09/2020 at 14:57, mikeyp102 said: When was the last time we had a Cm come through the academy? I’m thinking Davis or Barry? Such a hard position to break through in. If he establishes himself in the role he’ll have done well. Barry Bannan? Perhaps the most hyped academy player I can recall other than Grealish (rightly so!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, ZL- said: Barry Bannan? Perhaps the most hyped academy player I can recall other than Grealish (rightly so!) Jonathan Hogg and Chris Herd too, Houllier days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, ZL- said: Barry Bannan? Perhaps the most hyped academy player I can recall other than Grealish (rightly so!) I think he was quite unlucky with us and generally in his career. His drink driving certainly didn't help him But MON & Lambert didn't really help him. I think if Houllier hadn't have fallen ill he'd have gone to have decent career for us. Not for where we're headed now, but he's been way above the level of ability of players we've had since he's left. And if Westwood is good enough for the Premier league then Bannan easily is. I digress. Good luck Jacob! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Thug said: I too want him to stay, but how many times do you think we’ll go 3 up this season? Most games. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 3 hours ago, MotoMkali said: What and waste his talent like we did with o'hare or gardener or any of our other youth players except Jack. Or Gareth Barry, or Dwight yorke or Lee hendrie or vassell or other young players we have thought were good enough to play 1st team football ? Sending players out on loan such as ohare and gardener at 19 or 20 years old didnt do them much good for us did it ? If you dont try him you don't know. He has had minutes and has not looked out of place against Fulham. If there is no intention of playing him unless of several injuries then yes a loan would be beneficial, if he is sure to get 20 or 30 minutes every other game as a sub and has the chance to fill in if someone is injured or suspended then that is worth far more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 18 hours ago, brummybloke said: Or Gareth Barry, or Dwight yorke or Lee hendrie or vassell or other young players we have thought were good enough to play 1st team football ? Sending players out on loan such as ohare and gardener at 19 or 20 years old didnt do them much good for us did it ? If you dont try him you don't know. He has had minutes and has not looked out of place against Fulham. If there is no intention of playing him unless of several injuries then yes a loan would be beneficial, if he is sure to get 20 or 30 minutes every other game as a sub and has the chance to fill in if someone is injured or suspended then that is worth far more. O'Hare first went on loan last season. Gardner went on a 1 month emergency loan at 19, to then come back and rot on our bench for 3 years. Neither are great examples of loans to get consistent game time. The problem is he isn't sure to get time playing for us. We wont have more than 2 midfielders on the bench and those are likely to be Nakamba, because of what he offers defensively when we want to tighten up and Hourihane, because of his set piece ability when we're desperately chasing a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 23 hours ago, Johnnyp said: Still maintain the loan needs to be right for us and him. A club like Sunderland, not sure if they are in for him but he'd get into their team + they are a huge club relative to the league they are in so id like to see how he copes with an expectant and demanding fan base also. At what stage do we think that will even be relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 21 hours ago, commander said: I think he was quite unlucky with us and generally in his career. His drink driving certainly didn't help him But MON & Lambert didn't really help him. I think if Houllier hadn't have fallen ill he'd have gone to have decent career for us. Not for where we're headed now, but he's been way above the level of ability of players we've had since he's left. And if Westwood is good enough for the Premier league then Bannan easily is. Could you illustrate your point with some form of heat map? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 21 hours ago, commander said: I think he was quite unlucky with us and generally in his career. His drink driving certainly didn't help him But MON & Lambert didn't really help him. I think if Houllier hadn't have fallen ill he'd have gone to have decent career for us. Not for where we're headed now, but he's been way above the level of ability of players we've had since he's left. And if Westwood is good enough for the Premier league then Bannan easily is. I digress. Good luck Jacob! Yet no premier league team ever thought this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted October 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 1, 2020 Looked lively in the beginning, but faded completely out of the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LxYoungAVFC Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Panto_Villan said: Could you illustrate your point with some form of heat map? @Con where you at broski? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Yeah, a couple of good moments in the first half, don't know if the lack of end product from those knocked his confidence a bit. He didn't take responsibility in the second half though, happy to receive the ball and just play it back to the defence - not alone in that regard, but disappointing nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 He had a bad game tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I thought he played well but just got tired in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Called up to England u20s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, LxYoungAVFC said: @Con where you at broski? Dude hasn't logged in since Jacob Ramsey was 13 years old Edited October 2, 2020 by Panto_Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Alan Hutton on Jacob Ramsey “He had his feet firmly on the ground, he looked like he had a really good upbringing, he wanted to learn, he wanted to listen, if the older boys gave him advice, he would take it on board. “He was out doing extra training, I remember when Tammy Abraham and people like were there, out doing finishing, he wanted to go out and do the finishing with them so it shows you a real desire he’s got to improve as a player. “From a year from when I was there, I can see a massive difference in him already, even physically as well. It looks like he’s ready to step up now and it’s up to him now to go and prove to the manager that he’s ready to step in.” Some encouraging words from Hutton. It sounds like the lad has the right attitude to make it. Fingers crossed he stays grounded and takes his chances when they come along. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted October 5, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) On 30/09/2020 at 17:27, Follyfoot said: On 30/09/2020 at 12:23, Thug said: I too want him to stay, but how many times do you think we’ll go 3 up this season? Well the third time will be 7:37 pm on Sunday hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Edited October 5, 2020 by Follyfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Follyfoot said: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Wait, we weren’t 3 up until the 4th goal went in at 7:53. you were 16 minutes out buddy. Edited October 5, 2020 by Thug 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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