Gareth Southgate

[magnkarl]

Did Gareth have a bad time at Villa? Has Grealish said that he won't go to what Gareth calls a 'big club'? I don't get Gareth's fascination with sticking to players who are underperforming and tired when the bench is full of extremely credible alternatives. 

If he wanted out balls he had one of the best hold up players in DCL on the bench, wanted fast runs behind the defense he had Rashford, wanted deft creativity on either wing he had Grealish and Sancho. It's like he's decided he won't let these players play before the match has even started.

[Brumerican]

3 minutes ago, blandy said:

I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The origin of that saying is worrying to be honest.

" I've got some good news and some bad news darling. The good news is that our baby is really clean  ..."

[Genie]

3 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

Convinced the media he was a perfect super sub

Didn't use him as a super sub in the final 

There looks to be some issue between the 2. It’s seemed that way for a while and the recent events support it.

Jack will know that his tweet (although protecting GS to a degree) calls into question the managers decision making “from within” which is never a good look.

We’ll have to wait for the autobiography I guess. 

[StefanAVFC]

Already seeing idiots who watch football once every 2 years preaching that the sun shines out of this chancer's arse.

Dour, uninspiring, cowardly football. He'd rather not lose our first major final since 1966 than try to win it.

Decent bloke though.

[PussEKatt]

Has he got something against Jack ?

Fans all over the place ( and pundits ) are saying that Jack is good,that Jack should start,yet GS refuses to use him as a starter.Someone needs to ask him,why is that ?

[sharkyvilla]

5 minutes ago, PussEKatt said:

Has he got something against Jack ?

Fans all over the place ( and pundits ) are saying that Jack is good,that Jack should start,yet GS refuses to use him as a starter.Someone needs to ask him,why is that ?

Again I don't think Jack is anywhere near fully fit so I can see why he got used as a supersub but last night Southgate seemed to want to play for penalties from half time, even though we were winning.  He obviously delayed the subs as long as possible so he had the penalty taker subs come on at the end.  It doesn't really excuse the inability of the team to get the ball to Jack at all when he was on though.  Mount's continued selection was baffling to me, he was invisible for the whole tournament, even if it wasn't Jack he picked instead it could have been Foden.

Ultimately though I'm not going to give Southgate stick, he got as close as possible to winning the Euros.  I'm more pissed off at the behaviour of too many English fans which must make us seem hideous to the rest of the world.

[Lichfield Dean]

4 hours ago, Genie said:

I still think what he did to Jack against Denmark was humiliating and completely unnecessary.

His obsession with a core of players really hampers the team overall.

Its the opposite of what someone like SAF would do. Nobody should be too big or untouchable. 

And he kept Sterling on for that, rather than resting him as much as possible for this game. That worked out well.

[MrSmirch]

I think he tried to do something similar to what Low did with Gotze by thrusting Saka into the spotlight. 

He was quite lucky to even be in that position. Greenwood, Bowen, Rashford, Sancho very hard done by.

[HanoiVillan]

33 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said:

Again I don't think Jack is anywhere near fully fit so I can see why he got used as a supersub but last night Southgate seemed to want to play for penalties from half time, even though we were winning.  He obviously delayed the subs as long as possible so he had the penalty taker subs come on at the end.  It doesn't really excuse the inability of the team to get the ball to Jack at all when he was on though.  Mount's continued selection was baffling to me, he was invisible for the whole tournament, even if it wasn't Jack he picked instead it could have been Foden.

Ultimately though I'm not going to give Southgate stick, he got as close as possible to winning the Euros.  I'm more pissed off at the behaviour of too many English fans which must make us seem hideous to the rest of the world.

Amusing seeing a poster above demanding Southgate pick players who are 'on form' like Jack. Apart from a good cameo against Germany and some good play in the pre-tournament friendlies, Jack hasn't really been 'on form' since what, Burnley away last season? If anything he was being picked on talent, and *despite* his form and - especially - his fitness.

[Mister_a]

 

[Genie]

2 hours ago, Mister_a said:

 

Shame we didn’t have any other attacking options… 

[Jono62]

4 hours ago, sharkyvilla said:

Again I don't think Jack is anywhere near fully fit so I can see why he got used as a supersub but last night Southgate seemed to want to play for penalties from half time, even though we were winning.  He obviously delayed the subs as long as possible so he had the penalty taker subs come on at the end.  It doesn't really excuse the inability of the team to get the ball to Jack at all when he was on though.  Mount's continued selection was baffling to me, he was invisible for the whole tournament, even if it wasn't Jack he picked instead it could have been Foden.

Ultimately though I'm not going to give Southgate stick, he got as close as possible to winning the Euros.  I'm more pissed off at the behaviour of too many English fans which must make us seem hideous to the rest of the world.

I agree with this. The friendlies before the Euros were a way of trying to get him there. How Jack is used for Qatar qualifying will be telling. 

[switters]

Seen a lot of people elsewhere saying things like 'he'll learn from this' but for me the single most frustrating thing (amongst many) is that this game so closely mirrored the way the Croatia game from the last World Cup played out and he plainly did not learn anything from that because he made the exact same mistakes. 

In Croatia game we scored early to take the lead without having to work for it and then sat back and as game progressed, Croatia's experience started to show and they dominated midfield. And we did nothing to change the flow of the game, Croatia scored with 20 odd mins to go. Then we finally make first sub as a reaction but never really get back into it. Momentum with Croatia for extra time and the only real difference then was Croatia pushed more than Italy to win it and got the winner in ET rather than on penalties. Southgate made a few more late subs in extra time with too little time for impact.

Take a glance at the comments below the BBC article from then, you could almost cut and paste, just switch a handful of names like Mount for Alli https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44706648

And here we are with three years to reflect and learn from that. But when Italy start to dominate from 30 mins on, what does he do? Nothing. Waits for the equaliser before making a single change. And it's even more inexcusable this time because we had better options on the bench than were available in 2018. At 60 mins game was screaming for Mount and Trippier off, bring on Grealish and Saka/Sancho. Change the shape and pace of the game which was all to Italy's liking by then. Or even if the game had played out the same up to 90 mins, I cannot comprehend what was the possible point of Mount still getting another 10 mins anonymity in ET. Or why Sterling was kept on beyond 90 mins if he wasn't there for a penalty. Sterling had a great tournament but for those 30 mins yesterday how could Rashford or Sancho not have been a better option, especially if they were pegged as penalty takers?

Southgate does well at setting up the team and seemingly getting good team spirit. But his over-caution is his downfall in these decisive games. If we'd pushed for a winner in extra time and got caught on the break and lost 2-1 it would have been upsetting but it wouldn't be as grindingly frustrating as this sense of not having giving it as much of a go as we could have. I'd rather lose like that than penalties, any day. And I don't understand how he seemed so content to play for penalties when Italy would so clearly be favourites there (given their penalty win against Spain, their goalkeeper, their lack of 30 years of crushing history of going out on penalties). It's almost like he was playing for a fairytale catharsis ending to make up for 96 but instead he's just condemned a whole new generation to that same despair.

Even though I am being critical, I think he has earned the right to manage us for the next World Cup, a successive semi-final and a final do justify that. It's just it's hard to hold out much hope that it won't end in similar disappointment and possibly much earlier if the draw is less kind. And a strong feeling that in 10,20 years we may well be looking back at World Cup 2018 and Euro 2020 as our best ever chances, the ones that got away.

[AndyM3000]

Beat Germany once Jack came on the pitch but before that offered very little in attack. Group stages were dross, Ukraine are Championship level and Denmark fairly average. All that attacking talent and he's rolling out 5 at the back, 3 CMs.

I don't rate the fact he got to a final, it doesn't show progress if there weren't any challenges to get there. Just like if Villa win the FA Cup by beating Wrexham, Ipswich, Huddersfield, Southampton and Everton it doesn't mean we are on the up. 

Nice guy, dreadful manager with a boring style of football.

[Brumstopdogs]

6 hours ago, Mister_a said:

 

Southgate deserves praise for getting us to the final but the line up for England was way too defensive for and he didn't do well with his substutions yesterday.

When Harry Kane apparently doesn't touch the ball once in the opposition's box in 120 minutes of football it does suggest something is not right!

 

 

[fruitvilla]

One shot every twenty minutes during the game ... on average.

One shot on goal every hour on average.

I don't particularly blame the players.

[AvfcRigo82]

On 12/07/2021 at 18:19, Jono62 said:

How Jack is used for Qatar qualifying will be telling. 

If I was Jack Grealish I would retire from International duty until that arsehole Southgate is gone.

I think if that were to materialise it would send out the biggest statement of all against Safegate.

[Ingram85]

**** hate this clown. If the owners want some extra brownie points then can they get him banned from VP please. I hope if he is ever there again he gets booed out the ground. **** clearing. 

[StefanAVFC]

Huge dickhead.

[Sulberto21]

11 hours ago, Ingram85 said:

**** hate this clown. If the owners want some extra brownie points then can they get him banned from VP please. I hope if he is ever there again he gets booed out the ground. **** clearing. 

What's he done now?