JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: Can't work out why but this thread isn't as tiresome, boring and repetitive as last week. Lots of well articulated opinions and honest debate, its quite lovely to be honest. Just can't put my finger on what is different. No doubt winning takes some of the sting out of some of them too. Lol Also, good results for us tonight, Brentford losing and Fulham drawing. Only if we continue winning though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 If we keep winning I'll go into hope mode. Whenever that happens it tends to be rectified by general misery. May it finally end. Gwan Bruce, take us up. If not now then next year. We deserve some bloody Happiness. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Villan_of_oz Posted March 14, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: No doubt winning takes some of the sting out of some of them too. Lol Also, good results for us tonight, Brentford losing and Fulham drawing. Only if we continue winning though. Its sad to think that there were probably a few VTers out there that wanted us to lose so they could reinforce their view with rhetoric for another week. Most of us fans just want hope, and right now Bruce and the boys are giving us a glimmer. I just want us to enjoy this last chance saloon called the playoffs. If you can't believe, if you can't hope, if you can't dream..... Well what the bloody hell is the point. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post terrytini Posted March 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 hour ago, markavfc40 said: @terrytini Cheers mate. I didn't look who voted his performance on Saturday poor and very poor but thanks for giving your reasons so eloquently and acknowledging that in hindsight you'd been a bit harsh. I know that you have strong doubts about Bruce but I also know that you are desperate to be wrong and would be over the moon to put your hands up if you are so despite having an opposing view on Bruce I know yours are still coming from the right place Always a pleasure ! I'm not actually sure I have strong doubts about most aspects of him actually. Do I see a fine tactician ? Not really - yet in some games, particularly early on, I thought his tactics were spot on. Do I much care ? Not really, I think - like Bruce does - that most the time tactics are overated..so Im fine with that. Do I see a likeable guy ? Yes. Does he seem like he can mould a group ? On balance, Yes. Do I agree with his selections ? Not always, but (a) which fan ever agrees with all a Managers selections ? and (b) what do I know !!? Does he, himself, have 'character' ? Yes. Does he make subs that change games, that make me think "thats just what I was thinking ?" - tricky, this one, he certainly did early on, not so much in 2017. Can he get us promoted ? Yes, record speaks for itself. Is he the right fit for us at this moment ? Possibly. Always easier to say once they've acheived or gone ! So on many things I think he's there or thereabouts. My doubts really centre around two things - is he too cautious/defensive, especially for our players at this time ? Alongside this question of style is he too concerned with effort and determination over playing some 'football' ? To both of these I feel the answer is Yes, and I think it cost us in Jan/Feb and worry it will cost us long term. If anything Im frustrated that with our players and his qualities I think we could be an unstoppable force, but that HE needs to change for it to take off. So Yes in one way those doubts are strong, in that those concerns could have considerable detrimantal impact, but on the other hand I'm fine with a good chunk of 'the package' as it were. Unfortunately - at present - those negatives outweigh the positives but we shall see. Most bafflingly for me I see glimpses then we seem to revert back. I'm prepared to give him time - moot anyway as he is of course here until May - because I'm willing to think he has got stuff wrong like anyone can but that he will learn from it and improve. The only time I really had enough was with his comments about Richards - I'm afraid at the time, coupled with poor results and performances that was a last straw !! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 We clearly are a huge club at this level. We almost certainly have the most expensive roster. We are getting results (recently) but the first two were true when we weren't getting results. I'm thrilled with our run and our results, but I still fear it's a false dawn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I thought that on Saturday we comfortably won without ever looking like we would wallop them. We were competent against what I felt was a very average team. What frustrates me greatly is the fact that this very average Sheffield Wednesday team are actually 6th, which suggests that if we had managed to be average this season we would have easily made the play offs. With our extremely expensively created squad that should have been a walk in the park. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 15, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 15, 2017 You just can't start a season the way we did and make the play offs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: You just can't start a season the way we did and make the play offs. The 2 bad spells we had saw us win 1 in a combined 19 games , they have killed our chances - next season we need a good start to give us momentum . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted March 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) I think consistency is quite important as even teams in the playoffs have lost a decent number of games, it's just that they were spread out and the 'rot' didn't seem to set in like our August,September and October did. We've won 12, drawn 12 and lost 13... that simply isn't good enough, but as soon as you think 'we were close to winning probably 6-8 of those draws' then the picture looks better. Leeds, Reading and Sheffield Weds have all lost 11 games, just two less than us, so 6 points. The real reason we've 'struggled' is failing to convert those draws to wins, something which (with a blip at the start of this year) Steve Bruce has seemingly been helping to do. We're not the finished article, but if we can be at this stage next year having won a number of games in the high teens or low 20s then we'll be well away. Something I think will be possible. Edited March 15, 2017 by alreadyexists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 Can I just say, if we avoid defeat against Norwich, no side would have done the double over us this season. That for is one positive 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post striker Posted March 15, 2017 Visiting Supporter Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) @terrytini Do you not think Bruce's comments on Richards was more to do with trying to be complementary in the media about the player rather than actually wanting to play him? Bruce couldn't come out in the media and say that he doesn't have a future here because Richards is totally shot? That would have totally killed any chance of getting rid, even on loan and would have alienated yet another player from the manager. Edited March 15, 2017 by striker 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 15, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 15, 2017 48 minutes ago, striker said: Bruce's comments on Richards was more to do with trying to be complementary in the media about the player rather than actually wanting to play him? Exactly. I think it was so clearly complete nonsense, that it can only have been man management and maybe trying to preserve some value. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 13 hours ago, Villan_of_oz said: Can't work out why but this thread isn't as tiresome, boring and repetitive as last week. Lots of well articulated opinions and honest debate, its quite lovely to be honest. Just can't put my finger on what is different. Wins.........they make Transition so much more civilised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I don't see the current style of football that we are witnessing as reflective of what the manager wants.i see it as a means to an end to build resilience to restore confidence to secure wins. Its all about priority. I read Terry's(tini) posts with interest and he is beside himself with the style of play.....if it was the finished article so would I be. This team will develop in to something credible and worth watching, but not just yet......culture takes time to change as does belief. it is clear Steve has focussed on the lack of physical attribute in the team, we have been a soft touch for years.....that had to be addressed......but while you are trying to hone those elements it's difficult to concentrate on the finer points at the same time.....its called development......I.e gradual improvement. What Terry sees is not good and we all know that. My salvation is I am absolutely sure this regime will deliver a watchable team that wins. just like Brexit.......we have to wait patiently 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted March 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 hours ago, TrentVilla said: You just can't start a season the way we did and make the play offs. The start we could have recovered from. It was post Christmas that did us. Looking back there really was little hope, having to bed in 2 new teams. However I'm really optimistic of next year now we have some stability at last. No matter what you think of Bruce's tactics he can deliver results. Even from a standing start that will be enough I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, blandy said: Exactly. I think it was so clearly complete nonsense, that it can only have been man management and maybe trying to preserve some value. The caveat of being fit is very important because he seemingly has very high standards and knows full well that Richards is very unlikely to match them. It's an 'experienced' comment really, I'd say. Edited March 15, 2017 by lexicon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 54 minutes ago, Nigel said: The start we could have recovered from. It was post Christmas that did us. Looking back there really was little hope, having to bed in 2 new teams. However I'm really optimistic of next year now we have some stability at last. No matter what you think of Bruce's tactics he can deliver results. Even from a standing start that will be enough I think. Exactly, if we had continued on that "2 points per game" when Bruce came in, or even 1.5 for that matter. We wouldn't be here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godders Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 hour ago, TRO said: just like Brexit.......we have to wait patiently What, slowly heading towards a prolonged period of massive upheaval and uncertainty after being sold a bunch of lies by those in charge? I hope it's not like Brexit! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted March 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2017 To be honest, with the quality in this league and squad we have, we should be in the automatic places next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 4 hours ago, TrentVilla said: You just can't start a season the way we did and make the play offs. We certainly could have - the second bad spell killed it completely. Of course, much better if you're entirely consistent over the whole season... ...2017/18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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