Eastie Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jareth said: Bit of a gollini, got potential but now is not the time to develop players. RDM got it wrong thinking he would hold the midfield together. Looks like steve Clarke was the one who rated him having managed him - not sure rdm knew what year it was to be honest . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Eastie said: Improvement on Westwood and Gardner Is he though? I'm happy for him to play over them because I think there's more chance he'll improve and, well, he just ISN'T them. But I'm yet to see what he offers that those two don't. Which is saying a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Just now, Stevo985 said: Is he though? I'm happy for him to play over them because I think there's more chance he'll improve and, well, he just ISN'T them. But I'm yet to see what he offers that those two don't. Which is saying a lot! Slightly yes , but that's hardly a great compliment . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Is he though? I'm happy for him to play over them because I think there's more chance he'll improve and, well, he just ISN'T them. But I'm yet to see what he offers that those two don't. Which is saying a lot! In my opinion, he is yes, he's dynamic and positionally aware, he's also only 21 years old so he will improve over time. I think he'll be great in the coming years, hopefully with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 15, 2017 1 minute ago, sir_gary_cahill said: In my opinion, he is yes, he's dynamic and positionally aware, he's also only 21 years old so he will improve over time. I think he'll be great in the coming years, hopefully with us I'm happy to admit he will (or I hope he will) improve. It's his only chance because at the moment he's rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 1 minute ago, sir_gary_cahill said: In my opinion, he is yes, he's dynamic and positionally aware, he's also only 21 years old so he will improve over time. I think he'll be great in the coming years, hopefully with us He wasnt positionally aware for the goal last night, he was nowhere near our box while 2 Wolves midfielders just strolled into our box with nobody picking up. Jedinak got pulled out to the left wing after Amavi made a mess of things and Tishbola was between our box and the half way line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Just give him a chance, that's all I ask before he is shot down, I see him being a big player for us in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 To be fair to him he's being put under expectations that he shouldn't be under at this point in his career. As a young kid with very little first team experience, his role this season should have been part of rotation and cover and coming off the bench. But because of RDM's horrendous judgement and Westwood and Gardner failing at this level, he's now got to be an integral part of the midfield for a team wanting promotion. Hopefully after January he can take on the role that's best for his development while at the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 45 minutes ago, DCJonah said: To be fair to him he's being put under expectations that he shouldn't be under at this point in his career. As a young kid with very little first team experience, his role this season should have been part of rotation and cover and coming off the bench. But because of RDM's horrendous judgement and Westwood and Gardner failing at this level, he's now got to be an integral part of the midfield for a team wanting promotion. Hopefully after January he can take on the role that's best for his development while at the club. Think this is a fair point TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 1 hour ago, sir_gary_cahill said: In my opinion, he is yes, he's dynamic and positionally aware, he's also only 21 years old so he will improve over time. I think he'll be great in the coming years, hopefully with us I disagree, if you get to the age of 21 and are still incapable of trapping a bag of cement or able to pass a football or have any awareness of where opposition runners are going then it's probably time to give up o your dream. He is awful and much like Jedinak people give him the time of day because he isn't Ashley Westwood. Decent footballer's at the age of 21 already show signs of promise and ability. This lad shows very little. He is about as dynamic as a Fiat Cinquecento and about as positionally aware as my nan on Christmas Day after 5 glasses of sherry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Has a good range of passing but get the impression he wants to do the bare minimum. I mean could you call how he moves running ? It's essentially a fast walk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT123 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I thought he was the best of a bad bunch to be honest. He's a presence in midfield that isn't afraid to put himself about, strong in the tackle and very rarely gives the ball away. I'd like to see him be a bit more box-to-box, drive forward from midfield a bit like Delph used to. I'm happy to see him continue to start as he certainly has potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Better than Westwood or GG but lacks a bit. Not sure if he's lazy or thick tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted January 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 15, 2017 Can't see anything special in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 At least he touched the ball a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 34 minutes ago, ROTTERDAM1982 said: Better than Westwood or GG but lacks a bit. Not sure if he's lazy or thick tbh. Or just young and learning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Hopefully lexicon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 3 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Just give him a chance, that's all I ask before he is shot down, I see him being a big player for us in the future You say it about too many players though. As @Bunnski mentioned above, positionally he's awful, which is frightening for a centre midfield player. I don't know if he just doesn't know where to be, or he's just lazy. Either way it's a worrying sign. I've yet to see a single reason why he should be playing instead of Westwood or Gardner and I don't rate either of them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I think tish is most likely to be the midfield casualty from all our cm even though for me it would be westwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted January 26, 2017 Visiting Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2017 Reminds me of Isaiah Osborne that used to play for the Villa. Slightly awkward running style but potentially much better than Osborne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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