Douglas Luiz

[7392craig]

9 hours ago, TRO said:

who says.

I will be delighted, if he comes good, just can't see it, in the role he plays for us. He gets frustrated, and gives away free kicks, is that him being fiesty?......Opponents just run past him or brush him aside.....How is that being negative, it happens too often.

I’ve always said he looks more of a CM rather than a DM. This might be the season we see the best of him depending on how we’re gonna set up.

[Taxahunter]

1 hour ago, M_Afro said:

I think if we got a decent offer, I would sell him. I like him as a player and I think he will get better but I don’t think he is the DM that we need. We are also well stocked in central midfield so if we are going to buy a destroyer then someone needs to make way.

If selling Doug for £25m enables us to sign Bissouma for £50m then it’s a deal worth doing. It also allows more flexibility with financial fair play if we need to dabble in January. Add in a loan/free gk and cb and we will have had a great window. 

I don’t understand this. In June we were afraid if City would come and activate a suspected buyback clause around 30m and now we want to sell for 25m?

[M_Afro]

4 minutes ago, Taxahunter said:

I don’t understand this. In June we were afraid if City would come and activate a suspected buyback clause around 30m and now we want to sell for 25m?

The market is flat. He only has 2 years left on his contract. £25m would be a decent deal.

[sne]

6 minutes ago, M_Afro said:

The market is flat. He only has 2 years left on his contract. £25m would be a decent deal.

If he's not interested in signing a new deal then I agree. Rather he signed a new contract thou but no idea if the club or him are interested.

[MWARLEY2]

A question for you on here . Do you think we would have gone for him for £25 million now we have the scouting analysis in place. If he had played elsewhere the last 2 years ? 

 

And second question would you be happy he is sold based on the above ?

Nothing serious.Just based on the last weeks shenanigans can you take the emotion that' he is our player and he can get better next season ' when based purely on stats he is nowhere near our starting 11.

[Keener window-cleaner]

9 hours ago, TRO said:

Totally disagree.

yeah he is down more than he's up.

Explain what he does to warrant your claim?

I think his close control, ball control is among the best I've seen, he is equally good with both feet, solves tight situations like few others, makes all type of passes with inside/outside of his feet, that tika-taka passing style ability. His passing is first class, it is so important to have a CM who finds spaces and can make forward passes, solve tight situations to keep the ball within the team rather than just tap it back, pass sideways or hoof it. Just as an example of his technique he has at several occations solved tight situations when pressed agains out own corner flag that make you wonder how that was possible. He also has the ability to find forward passes like very few others, and it's his exquisite technique and footballing brain that enables that. It goes a bit unnoticed as it often is the pass in the own half in sequnces before a chance, so it's not an assist och goal scoring opportunity, but as important to get there. He has also got a good strike in him as we have seen.

Defensively he is actually really good, he reads the game perfectly and is feisty and often wins the one on ones. I feel like I'm repeating myself in this thread, but I am fully convinced that we get the best out of him as the lone holind midfielder. In a two man holding MF role I can understand that you and others aren't always impressed. He is one of few who can dictate the play, remember after the corona break last season how Deano was screaming "Douggi Douggi" all the time to make our defenders pass him, all our build up play went through him, and he then had his best spell for us. When he is the lone holding MF sitting between the defence and midfield he has all the space there for himself, all rthe range of the pitch from left to right. When he is played as one of the two holding midfielders he get much more restricted, does only have half the space and is not the natural focal point of the build up play.

Also think about his potential! Former U23 Brazil captain and in the Brazil squad, and he is only 23! I feel there are sometimes another expectation on him. Imagine we had an english 23 year old in the full England squad showing the technique and potential that Luiz has, would we want to sell him then? 

 

[Keener window-cleaner]

37 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said:

A question for you on here . Do you think we would have gone for him for £25 million now we have the scouting analysis in place. If he had played elsewhere the last 2 years ? 

I think that's a problem with the statistics and why we shouldn't rely too much on it. The statistics doesn't say anything about the ability to keep the ball and the ability to dictate play, neither does it say anything about movement without the ball. For a holding midfielder, the ability to read the game, be in the right position, point and show where the defenders should pass, tell when to calm down play and when to show for it and make a fast break with a quick clever forward pass, shout to a team mate to mark or follow an opponent when he spots danger, is really important. All of that is among the essence of a holding mf, which is the perhaps most important position on the pitch. And almost none of that can be seen in data analysis.

[villalad21]

16 minutes ago, Keener window-cleaner said:

I think his close control, ball control is among the best I've seen, he is equally good with both feet, solves tight situations like few others, makes all type of passes with inside/outside of his feet, that tika-taka passing style ability. His passing is first class, it is so important to have a CM who finds spaces and can make forward passes, solve tight situations to keep the ball within the team rather than just tap it back, pass sideways or hoof it. Just as an example of his technique he has at several occations solved tight situations when pressed agains out own corner flag that make you wonder how that was possible. He also has the ability to find forward passes like very few others, and it's his exquisite technique and footballing brain that enables that. It goes a bit unnoticed as it often is the pass in the own half in sequnces before a chance, so it's not an assist och goal scoring opportunity, but as important to get there. He has also got a good strike in him as we have seen.

Defensively he is actually really good, he reads the game perfectly and is feisty and often wins the one on ones. I feel like I'm repeating myself in this thread, but I am fully convinced that we get the best out of him as the lone holind midfielder. In a two man holding MF role I can understand that you and others aren't always impressed. He is one of few who can dictate the play, remember after the corona break last season how Deano was screaming "Douggi Douggi" all the time to make our defenders pass him, all our build up play went through him, and he then had his best spell for us. When he is the lone holding MF sitting between the defence and midfield he has all the space there for himself, all rthe range of the pitch from left to right. When he is played as one of the two holding midfielders he get much more restricted, does only have half the space and is not the natural focal point of the build up play.

Also think about his potential! Former U23 Brazil captain and in the Brazil squad, and he is only 23! I feel there are sometimes another expectation on him. Imagine we had an english 23 year old in the full England squad showing the technique and potential that Luiz has, would we want to sell him then? 

 

He isn't going to turn into Casemiro in 4 years time.

Luiz is a little and tidy midfielder and that won't change.

We are not a tiki taka/possession team so it makes no sense to play a so called "deep lying playmaker"

We need a DM who is a specialist in winning the ball so we can get those counter attacks going. 

Edited August 7, 2021 by villalad21

[Keener window-cleaner]

And to compare with Kalvin Phillips, I'd say Phillips is better at harrasing and pressing and is faster, but in all other aspects I think Luiz is better and has more potential. 

[Keener window-cleaner]

2 minutes ago, villalad21 said:

He isn't going to turn into Casemiro in 4 years time.

Luiz is a little and tidy midfielder and that won't change.

We are not a tiki taka/possession team so it makes no sense to play a so called "deep lying playmaker"

We need a DM who is a specialist in winning the ball so we can get those counter attacks going. 

Yes he isn't very useful in a Steve Bruce or Sam Allerdyce team.

[villalad21]

9 minutes ago, Keener window-cleaner said:

And to compare with Kalvin Phillips, I'd say Phillips is better at harrasing and pressing and is faster, but in all other aspects I think Luiz is better and has more potential. 

We need a destroyer in that role.

End of.

I'd play a half fit Casemiro over Luiz every day of the week.

Edited August 7, 2021 by villalad21

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

1 hour ago, Taxahunter said:

I don’t understand this. In June we were afraid if City would come and activate a suspected buyback clause around 30m and now we want to sell for 25m?

" WE " is relative.

If i'm honest, a set of us never feared that, as we saw nothing near enough for us, nevermind City.

[Made In Aston]

3 hours ago, Danishlad said:

I don’t see him improving. I hope I’m wrong. 
 

Grealish was looking like he was going to be Lee Hendrie mk2 until about 23 when he started to fulfil the early promise. 

[Hiney]

Starting for Brazil in the Olympic Final vs Spain in 30 minutes time.

I'm really hoping he can push on this season as there's definitely a player in there.

[MotoMkali]

5 hours ago, Adam2003 said:

I take your point as always TRO Bellingham is potentially a generational talent though. That’s why he’d cost at least 3x as much as any of our midfield and will spend his whole career in the CL. He is the best/most valuable player of his age in the world. So yes I’ll accept he’d be a better option!

 

Pedri

[Danishlad]

2 hours ago, Made In Aston said:

Grealish was looking like he was going to be Lee Hendrie mk2 until about 23 when he started to fulfil the early promise. 

I always rated Grealish, from the first time I saw him play as a teenager.  Couldn’t understand why others couldn’t see it. 
 

Luiz ain’t got it. IMO . Don’t get me wrong I think he is decent. But not a premier league player- week in week out. 

Edited August 7, 2021 by Danishlad

[MrBlack]

Gave away a classic lazy tracking back foul for which he got a booking on about 85 minutes. Has looked pretty decent aside from that lapse.

Going to extra time and could go either way. Come on Luiz,  score a screamer.

[Adam2003]

15 minutes ago, MotoMkali said:

Pedri

Fair shout but still almost a year older. Edit: sorry could quickly spiral off topic here!

Edited August 7, 2021 by Adam2003

[Steero113]

Considering the amount of football he's played this year he has been quality in this final for Brazil. 

Constantly putting himself around, sprayed a few lovely 50 yarders around as well and generally kept the tempo going for Brazil. 

Impressive. 

[a m ole]

9 minutes ago, MrBlack said:

Gave away a classic lazy tracking back foul for which he got a booking on about 85 minutes. Has looked pretty decent aside from that lapse.

Going to extra time and could go either way. Come on Luiz,  score a screamer.

Wouldn’t call it a lapse, it was necessary to take the card to prevent a dangerous attack.