Douglas Luiz

[ender4]

1 hour ago, Phil Silvers said:

Dougie is an odd one for me. 

It wouldn't surprise me if Deano flips him and it wouldn't surprise me if he came back on another level and ended up POTS next year and over shadowed the newbies.

It's in there but we haven't seen it consistently enough yet.

yeah, has potential but needs to improve and become super consistent if he is going to be our main DM for the next few years.    Targett improved, Konsa improved, i'd like to see a similar trajectory for Luiz. 

If not, we'll probably be selling him next summer for £20m.

[TheMelvillan]

i suspect a fully fit Sanson will be ahead of him in the pecking order.

Like McGinn, if Luiz isnt on his game he can be hard to watch. Problem is neither have the natural physicality to compensate if they are having a poor game

[villabromsgrove]

My problem with Doug has nothing to do with his footballing ability, it's a concern that he can be too laid back during periods of each game. There's a "Brazilian" nonchalance to his play that occasionally leads to him getting the wrong side of an attacker with the inevitable silly ankle tapping foul in a dangerous position as a result.

 He's a good player but I think he may be better suited to a more continental style league with a less frenetic pace than the English game.

[Phil Silvers]

14 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said:

My problem with Doug has nothing to do with his footballing ability, it's a concern that he can be too laid back during periods of each game. There's a "Brazilian" nonchalance to his play that occasionally leads to him getting the wrong side of an attacker with the inevitable silly ankle tapping foul in a dangerous position as a result.

 He's a good player but I think he may be better suited to a more continental style league with a less frenetic pace than the English game.

This is it and is probably why Deano emphasised bringing in players with premiership experience. Juan Veron, what a player, just didn't click in this league.

As much as I can see the potential I'd flip Doug for JWP in a heartbeat.

[AntrimBlack]

Seems crazy that we think a Brazilian international may not be good enough for us, but that is where we are.

I still hope that the coaching staff can sort him out, for I do think he is a talented player, and I would love to see him become the player we thought we were buying.

Still young, and as we know, some players struggle at his age and have an indifferent season.

[StanBalaban]

The centre of the park is the only area of the pitch where we don't have a real key player. 

Luiz, McGinn and Marv need to play in combinations to be effective - and we're missing a key piece.

Put McGinn in Chelsea's midfield alongside Kante, and he'll look so much more effective. Dougie could play there, or at City, Plop, even Arsenal and thrive because of the partnership proposition. Even Marv and Tielemans together for example would be hugely effective.

What we seem to have is one part of a midfield combo, but missing the other. Any combination of the players we have is still missing a piece of the jigsaw.

[TRO]

43 minutes ago, Made In Aston said:

I'm still amazed that some people on here are so quick to try an offload a Brazil International at the first opportunity. 

Its not a case of him being a Brazil International, that won't stop marauding raiders plundering our midfield, and brushing him to one side......Its a case of addressing the aforementioned issue....and he doesn't do it.......so far.

I don't care if they come from Doncaster Rovers as long as they can deal with the issue.

If DL comes back from the olympics and helps dominate our midfield with winning the ball and staying on the ball under pressure, like the 3 Italian midfielders in the Final.....I will then say, he looks like a Brazillian International.

Until he does that....we need someone to do it.....I am amazed what some folk see in him, playing as a DM....never a DM, Regista, Holding Midfileder, whatever you want to call it.....He simply doesn't stop opposition players, playing.

Edited August 6, 2021 by TRO

[Phil Silvers]

2 minutes ago, TRO said:

Its not a case of him being a Brazil International, that won't stop marauding raiders plundering our midfield, and brushing him to one side......Its a case of addressing the aforementioned issue....and he doesn't do it.......so far.

I don't care if they come from Doncaster Rovers as long as they can deal with the issue.

If DL comes back from the olympics and helps dominate our midfield with winning the ball and staying on the ball under pressure, like the 3 Italian midfielders in the Final.....I will then say, he looks like a Brazillian International.

Until he does that....we need someone to do it.

To be fair too, there's Brazil and there's Brazil, there was a time when being a Brazilian International meant you probably walked in to any team in the world.

[gwi1890]

5 minutes ago, thunderball said:

JWP is a leader, seemingly a consumate pro and hasn't missed a game in two years. He is the best dead ball deliverer in the division and an England player (just). From what I 've recently seen  he is quite versatile and does have a habit of goal involvements from open play despite @Laughable Chimp stats suggesting otherwise? JWP is 26 and Dougie is 23. What if we sold Dougie for £25 and bought JWP for £40m, are we getting good value on that £15m?

I was underwhelmed by Dougie last season (and McGinn actually), and we do need a greater contribution from that area. Its all about the imporved percentages now, the diminishing returns as you move up the table is story of the sharp end of the game.

Selling Douglas Luiz for £25 is bad business Imo

[TRO]

2 minutes ago, gwi1890 said:

Selling Douglas Luiz for £25 is bad business Imo

I am not arguing with you, you might be right.

but In terms of his contribution, what significance is he.....what exactly does he do as a DM?

[gwi1890]

3 minutes ago, TRO said:

I am not arguing with you, you might be right.

but In terms of his contribution, what significance is he.....what exactly does he do as a DM?

Oh I’d sell him for £25m but not £25

[sne]

DLP, and £25 is a bit low  

[messi11]

Needs to improve massively if hes to make it here 

[sne]

Good thing he's only 23 then

[villan-scott]

Olympic final tomorrow for him. Few weeks rest then back into the fold. Hopefully he doesn’t burnout this season. 

[villalad21]

3 hours ago, Phil Silvers said:

To be fair too, there's Brazil and there's Brazil, there was a time when being a Brazilian International meant you probably walked in to any team in the world.

Are you saying Neymar, Richarlison and Firmino aren't as good as Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Rivaldo?

[Phil Silvers]

5 minutes ago, villalad21 said:

Are you saying Neymar, Richarlison and Firmino aren't as good as Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Rivaldo?

Damn straight. 

[HKP90]

To me he is an all round CM. Trouble is that hardly any of the modern systems have room for a player like that. It’s more specialised.

In the old days we used to have players like that. I’m thinking Townsend or Draper, but these days they would not be creative enough for an attacking role, or defensive enough to be a 6. Closest would be an 8, but when you have McGinn and Sanson vying for that place, it’s tough to find his USP.

[HKP90]

11 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said:

Damn straight. 

I agree.

[TRO]

2 hours ago, HKP90 said:

To me he is an all round CM. Trouble is that hardly any of the modern systems have room for a player like that. It’s more specialised.

In the old days we used to have players like that. I’m thinking Townsend or Draper, but these days they would not be creative enough for an attacking role, or defensive enough to be a 6. Closest would be an 8, but when you have McGinn and Sanson vying for that place, it’s tough to find his USP.

players are usually attributed to do many things, during a game.....i.e a Goal keeper has to stop the ball going in the net.....A striker has to score goals....of course they do many other things too.....A CDM has to stop the opposition from threatening us, by winning the ball or forcing them to release it.

Midfield seems one of the difficult areas for some fans to tie down....Midfielders can lean towards various functions, at what they are best at......A CDM requires a different skill set, from CAM....now some will say isn't that obvious, but from what I glean from some, talking about players like Luiz, its not......For me DL is not blessed with the attributes of a CDM, I can only guess why we play him there.

We cannot have an imbalance of attacking talent at the expense of being able to defend or contain.....I hope we sign a quality player who can fulfil that role.