Popular Post CVByrne Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Zatman said: The way I see it the Grealish deal has damaged Purslow ego hence the Ings panic signing and the now big name transfers. He then brought in a big name but unproven manager who has in fairness done OK so far. Then he signed the first 2 big names that came onto the market For me I just see red flags at the moment hope I am wrong The other way of viewing it is we had a very young squad and we signed an experienced proven player in Danny Ings and now again with Digne. Coutinho is a loan but also has plenty of experience. It's abundantly clear we have lacked that as we have a softness to us where we seem to lose lots of games we have dominated. That was exactly what 2021 was about 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Awol Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, blandy said: I must admit, that is a bit like my feeling. But, in his defence/the flip side of the coin is that if we consider it from his position and on the basis that the owners have said "we want to properly get towards the top 6 and we're absolutely determined to do it, and the resources are there" - then essentially he's under the instruction and it's his job to "go get" and that not progressing will lead to the chop for him. So under that kind of pressure/ambition, just carrying on carrying on is not an option, and anything carries a risk. As there's **** all any of us can do about any of it, we just need to enjoy the ride (or get off). Agreed, the decision to accelerate progress up the league has clearly led to the managerial change, and tweaking the recruitment strategy to include some jam today with tomorrow’s jam. If we didn’t have a bucket full of brilliant young players who are 12-36 months from first team squad (maybe even starting) roles then it might be a worry. Equally though it can be seen as a bridging strategy, replacing those senior players who aren’t good enough now with the highest possible quality we can get on a budget. It allows progress in the league while buying time for their medium-term academy-driven strategy for improvement, to mature. Whether the academy can ever become the primary source of first team players is debatable (it would need to be much bigger, imo), but that’s the journey we are on, for now. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Yes i agree with Awol. I think Gerrard has come in . Assessed the yougsters and decided that they do have a bright future. Many people say only a couple of them will make it but when you try and be extremely tough and only write down the best of our academy the list is quite deep KESLER FEENEY IROEGBUNAM AARON RAMSEY BOGARDE CHUKWUEMEKA then you go below that and we have Archer Bidace Barry and Caleb as forwards Chrisene Raikhy Lindley as midfielders Swinkels and Patterson defenders Sinisalo as goalie Its a really decent group that have a chance of being our golden generation . 16 names . If 6 make it then it totally changes our outlook even if the other 10 are sold ala Chelsea 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I think what we're seeing is "new information". The plan was to focus on the 23-25yo signings. But we can see and Gerrard is certainly telling Purslow/Lange. This team is soft, it lacks grit, leaders and experienced heads. If we had Digne for example at Brentford we would have had a leader in the back 4 where we really missed Mings. We have Bailey and Buendia trying to adapt to the Premier League and get up to speed. We don't need to add any more players like that we need to add in a couple of proven Premier League performers. Digne and Bissouma for example. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) On 02/01/2022 at 16:25, Delphinho123 said: We’ve spent so much on players that simply aren’t good enough. Apart from a few squad fillers we needed to get upon promotion we brought pretty well. Luiz, Watkins, Martinez, Bailey, Buendia, Ings, Konsa, Mings and Cash are certainly 'good enough'. Sanson and Traore could probably be added to that list as well. Whether they fit into Gerrard's system is another thing and only time will tell if they go on to be successful here. Edited January 10, 2022 by Made In Aston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Zatman said: The way I see it the Grealish deal has damaged Purslow ego hence the Ings panic signing and the now big name transfers. He then brought in a big name but unproven manager who has in fairness done OK so far. Then he signed the first 2 big names that came onto the market For me I just see red flags at the moment hope I am wrong Have to agree, the Ings signing does seem like a panic buy, i'm not entirely sure that Purslow was responsible for it, but Smith couldn't find a way to make room for Watkins and Ings, and Gerrard doesn't seem to be trying to. I have a feeling that Watkins could be sacrificed in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, dukes said: I have a feeling that Watkins could be sacrificed in the summer. A little extreme but if it helps our cause I'm all for it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoVillan1983 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 My guess is that seeing Newcastle and others getting decent takeovers, seeing the likes of Everton struggle while seeing West Ham and Arsenal improvements, they are thinking they need to throw everything they have at moving up the league right now and getting into Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I actually think the Newcastle takeover made us fast forward our plans. I think these type of signings would have been over 2/3 seasons from next, but we now need to jump ahead a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, dukes said: Have to agree, the Ings signing does seem like a panic buy, i'm not entirely sure that Purslow was responsible for it, but Smith couldn't find a way to make room for Watkins and Ings, and Gerrard doesn't seem to be trying to. I have a feeling that Watkins could be sacrificed in the summer. Watkins has missed games this season through injury and illness and Ings has played and scored in 3 of those games. Can't see why having an experienced goal scorer like Ings in our squad is some kind of bad panic buy. We had only one capable CF in Watkins and injury to him and it could have ruied our whole season, we saw what happened with Wesley. Signing Ings was very astute, when our captain was being sold you have added experience and leadership in Ings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 11, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2022 12 hours ago, CVByrne said: Watkins has missed games this season through injury and illness and Ings has played and scored in 3 of those games. Can't see why having an experienced goal scorer like Ings in our squad is some kind of bad panic buy. We had only one capable CF in Watkins and injury to him and it could have ruied our whole season, we saw what happened with Wesley. Signing Ings was very astute, when our captain was being sold you have added experience and leadership in Ings. IOur captain was a left sided winger, Ings doesn't help replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Interesting views from Christian in a video I saw on the sky sports app in regards to our two signings thus far. Also hinted that there may be one or two irons in the fire still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tayls said: Interesting views from Christian in a video I saw on the sky sports app in regards to our two signings thus far. Also hinted that there may be one or two irons in the fire still. He's very good isn't he? Very media friendly. Interesting interview as well... all about getting experience and proven winners in. Edited January 15, 2022 by Xela 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeps Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Says we’re not done. Has to be a CDM and stop gap CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, Xela said: He's very good isn't he? Very media friendly. Interesting interview as well... all about getting experience and proven winners in. I like him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Adverts?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepDish Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) I really do not agree that our purchases have been bad. If you look at our players, I would say that we have spent less than what you should expect in some of our areas. Also, Purslow has not been responsible for whole time I have listed players from here. But I would like to emphasise that to progress, we have to move up from doing bargains in the 5-15 mill interval to doing good purchases in the 15-30 mill interval. And when you know that there will always be som misses among the hits, we should expect some 25 mill flops also when we try to progress up to the topp 8 teams. Anyhow, here is a list I made getting the numbers from Soccerbase and articles regarding transfers: Keepers: Emiliano Martinez (29 years old) 17 mill (what a signing!!!) We also had Nyland, Heaton (bought for 8 mill, gave him a free transfer) and Love Kalinic, which obviously did not work out great (though Heaton was good until the injury) CBs: Kortney Hause (26 years old) 3 mill Ezri Konsa (24 years old) 12 mill Tyrone Mings (28 years old) 20 mill And we even managed to sell Engels for 300k less that we bought him for. A signing that did not work and we recouped most of the money. We need another permanent CB (not just a loanee), but the three we now have, has cost us 35 mill. RB/WB: Frederic Guilbert (27 years old) 4.3 mill (he obviously did not work out, but not a crazy figure) Matt Target (26 years old) 15.6 mill (not a good first season, but I think he was very good last season - think he is a decent squad player and if we sell, we would probably recoup most of the money) Matty Cash (24 years old) 16 mill (great signing) Lucas Digne (28 years old) 25 mill (new signing, so impossible to know) We can also use Ashley Young, who came as a free transfer. PS. We released Ahmed Elmohamady. He was bough for 1 mill and de did the job. CMs John Mc Ginn (27 years old) 3 mill (what a bargain!!!) Douglas Luiz (23 years old) 15 mill (worth the money - will probably be sold for more if sold) Marvellous Nakamba (27 years old) 11 mill (seems like he has been worth the money) Morgan Samson (27 years old) 14 mill (has taken time, but did have a good second half against United today) Emiliano Buendia (25 years old) 33 mill (expensive, but getting better and better) Leon Bailey (24 years old) 25 mill (not settled and injury prone) Philippe Coutinho (29 years old) loan (Im excited) Wingers Anwar El Ghazi (26 years old) 8 mill (on loan to Everton now) Trezeguet (27 years old) 8.75 mill (probably on his way out) Bertrand Traore (26 years old) 17 mill (shows glimpses, but I have been a bit disappointed - not sure we will lose a lot if selling him now) Ashley Young (36 years old) free transfer Strikers Wesley (25 years old) 22 mill (not a hit, injured - back at Club Brugge on loan) Mbwana Samatta (29 years old) 10 mill (fiasco - sold for 5.5 mill to Fenerbache after first a loan) Ollie Watkins (26 years old) 28 mill (great last season - a bit more dodgy this season - do not think the value has dropped too much) Danny Ings (29 years old) 25 mill (has struggled a bit - only 4 goals in 13 starts - but I can see him getting some goals with our attacking midfield coming throug) PS. I edited and put Traore in the wingers bracket. But I think he can play attacking CM and as a striker too. Edited January 15, 2022 by DeepDish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, DeepDish said: I really do not agree that our purchases have been bad. If you look at our players, I would say that we have spent less than what you should expect in some of our areas. Also, Purslow has not been responsible for whole time I have listed players from here. But I would like to emphasise that to progress, we have to move up from doing bargains in the 5-15 mill interval to doing good purchases in the 15-30 mill interval. And when you know that there will always be som misses among the hits, we should expect some 25 mill flops also when we try to progress up to the topp 8 teams. Anyhow, here is a list I made getting the numbers from Soccerbase and articles regarding transfers: Keepers: Emiliano Martinez (29 years old) 17 mill (what a signing!!!) We also had Nyland, Heaton (bought for 8 mill, gave him a free transfer) and Love Kalinic, which obviously did not work out great (though Heaton was good until the injury) CBs: Kortney Hause (26 years old) 3 mill Ezri Konsa (24 years old) 12 mill Tyrone Mings (28 years old) 20 mill And we even managed to sell Engels for 300k less that we bought him for. A signing that did not work and we recouped most of the money. We need another permanent CB (not just a loanee), but the three we now have, has cost us 35 mill. RB/WB: Frederic Guilbert (27 years old) 4.3 mill (he obviously did not work out, but not a crazy figure) Matt Target (26 years old) 15.6 mill (not a good first season, but I think he was very good last season - think he is a decent squad player and if we sell, we would probably recoup most of the money) Matty Cash (24 years old) 16 mill (great signing) Lucas Digne (28 years old) 25 mill (new signing, so impossible to know) We can also use Ashley Young, who came as a free transfer. PS. We released Ahmed Elmohamady. He was bough for 1 mill and de did the job. CMs John Mc Ginn (27 years old) 3 mill (what a bargain!!!) Douglas Luiz (23 years old) 15 mill (worth the money - will probably be sold for more if sold) Marvellous Nakamba (27 years old) 11 mill (seems like he has been worth the money) Bertrand Traore (26 years old) 17 mill (shows glimpses, but I have been a bit disappointed - not sure we will lose a lot if selling him now) Morgan Samson (27 years old) 14 mill (has taken time, but did have a good second half against United today) Emiliano Buendia (25 years old) 33 mill (expensive, but getting better and better) Leon Bailey (24 years old) 25 mill (not settled and injury prone) Philippe Coutinho (29 years old) loan (Im excited) Wingers Anwar El Ghazi (26 years old) 8 mill (on loan to Everton now) Trezeguet (27 years old) 8.75 mill (probably on his way out) Ashley Young (36 years old) free transfer Strikers Wesley (25 years old) 22 mill (not a hit, injured - back at Club Brugge on loan) Mbwana Samatta (29 years old) 10 mill (fiasco - sold for 5.5 mill to Fenerbache after first a loan) Ollie Watkins (26 years old) 28 mill (great last season - a bit more dodgy this season - do not think the value has dropped too much) Danny Ings (29 years old) 25 mill (has struggled a bit - only 4 goals in 13 starts - but I can see him getting some goals with our attacking midfield coming throug) Traore has been a success 7 goal 7 assists in his first season. Can’t see us losing Money on him tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Put this in the transfer thread as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 On 10/01/2022 at 13:13, CVByrne said: Watkins has missed games this season through injury and illness and Ings has played and scored in 3 of those games. Can't see why having an experienced goal scorer like Ings in our squad is some kind of bad panic buy. We had only one capable CF in Watkins and injury to him and it could have ruied our whole season, we saw what happened with Wesley. Signing Ings was very astute, when our captain was being sold you have added experience and leadership in Ings. Agree 100%. The issue we have is playing them both and that’s a coaching decision. We absolutely need two good PL strikers in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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