stewiek2 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 At this moment in time the Henry / Zola comparisons are a bit unfair. Every man and his dog knew Zola was a sh** manager. Even that Watford team that nearly went up under him was nearly full of loans. Henry is a huge gamble, but it's the unknown that is the issue. It may be a masterstroke, we just don't know. But far less of a gamble had it been a week ago and Xia calling the shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welsh_Villan Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Only worry is if the Henry appointment is true then it looks like villa are going down the immediate success route again. Not sure how I feel about that. Hope it’s not the splash the cash and get us up in 2 seasons plan that’s all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Just like the billionaire Xia made a good call in appointing di Matteo. Yup, these billionaires sure know their stuff. Yeah, I think I see the flaw in your argument there...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuffolkVillan Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, hippo said: Really think you over analysing - a manager is appointed to win games - if he doesn't he gets the sack. What you seem to be saying If Henry fails we should get another manager to come in to carry on his work ????? - personally when Henry fails I would hope we appoint someone to come in and do things differently. Can I be first to say - "He would be a good manager - we just need a defensive coach" Twitter rumours suggesting Steve Bould would be his assistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) I see the Henry haters are lining up already, excitedly looking forward to their "I told you so's". And I suspect that a lot of it is because he's French. If there's one thing that certain about football, it's that nothing is certain about football. Whoever we have as manager, they could fail disastrously. Or succeed magnificently. Bruce, Smith, Pulis, Allardyce, Wagner, Henry. You just can't know what will happen. Me, I'll accept whoever the new owners appoint, and wait and see. FWIW, I thought Bruce did OK, but it's probably time for a change. If it's an untried manager, so be it. But I could do without all this VT negativity. Edited July 24, 2018 by mjmooney 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Quite a few were loving the impact of Steve Agnew last season, just goes to show a manager does not work alone and it's all about the team around him. Henry - or any other new green manager's lack of experience can be mitigated. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Fwiw i also think he is a crap pundit like most on Sky 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 hours ago, terrytini said: But....Are we a club in turmoil? Haha. You have got to be kidding. OF COURSE we bloody well are!!! We are having to sell off our best players because we are in breach of FFP of we don't. We have already lost several of the players who helped us get to the Play Off Final and we are about to lose several more, with no really way of replacing them. I genuinely can't believe you don't think we are a club in turmoil. Wishful thinking on an astronomical scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiltorken Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, mjmooney said: If there's one thing that certain about football, it's that nothing is certain about football. Whoever we have as manager, they could fail disastrously. Or succeed magnificently. Bruce, Smith, Pulis, Allardyce, Wagner, Henry. You just can't know what will happen. Me, I'll accept whatever the new owners appoint, and wait and see. FWIW, I thought Bruce did OK, but it's probably time for a change. If it's an untried manager, so be it. But I could do without all this VT negativity. Totally agree with this, will support whoever the manager is next season (including Bruce) 12 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I see the Henry haters are lining up already, excitedly looking forward to their "I told you so's". And I suspect that a lot of it is because he's French. I think thats nonsense, no fan will celebrate failule for their club and I think peoples skepticism is justified for somebody with zero experience as a manager and was only second assistant to Roberto Martinez. Edited July 24, 2018 by kiltorken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, wilko154 said: I imagine a Wenger, Henry, Bould combination is out of the question but that would make me a lot more comfortable with the situation. Not me, I don’t want to finish 4th all the time ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, terrytini said: Not me, I don’t want to finish 4th all the time ! I'd happily finish 4th in the Premier League for the foreseeable future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 29 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Just like the billionaire Xia made a good call in appointing di Matteo. Yup, these billionaires sure know their stuff. You mean pretend billionaires 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Please no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Also, what if the new owners have got themselves a Jorge Mendes style agent tie-up and can swing four new players by mid August? Can't see them going for a new guy, at this time and not have a means of providing the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villatillidie1980 Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2018 Frank Lampards Derby beat Southampton at the weekend. I appreciate this can be taken completely out of context, but there’s every chance Henry could be good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted July 24, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, HeyAnty said: Just asking, why do people think Henry would be a risk? Realistically he isnt going to get us relegated. He wouldnt be any worse bringing through youth than Bruce has been, and this it seems is the way the owners want to go. Also if it doesnt work out then the new owners have plenty of money next year and hopefully a foundation to build from. Bruce is more of a risk, expecting him to introduce a styleof play that will last a few years, especially with a lot less experienced squad. If its a choice between the two then its a no brainer to me. The way we will be going, Villa is to big a club for Bruce. We keep hearing that keeping Bruce would be a risk because it would mean another year in the Championship without getting promoted. That's a very real possibility under Henry, why is it suddenly not a risk when Henry is in charge? Oh it's because he'll take the club in a new direction and install a new indentity. great, but will he? Why do people think that a manager who has never managed before, with no experience of building a team or installing an identity will be good at doing that? We still don't know the extent to the players we need to sell off. If it's a lot, then relegation is a very real possibility if Henry isn't as good as we all hope (and it would be a real possibility under many managers, this isn't some sort of vendetta against Henry) Once again we keep hearing things like "He can't be worse than bruce at this..." "Won't be any worse than Bruce at that" "Can't fail to be an upgrade on Bruce..." "Oh well there's no way he'll be worse than Bruce..." Why do people think this? This is exactly what we heard about Lambert, Sherwood, Garde, Black, Di Matteo compared to their predecessor and it was almost always not the case. Hell, it's exactly what people were saying when Lerner sold to Xia, "he can't be any worse than Lerner" and look how that turned out. We almost went bust. VillaTalk has a real habit of when someone falls out of favour, they are suddenly the worst person in the world at that job. That seems to have happened with Bruce. He's fallen out of favour with some and people just seem to think he's some buffoon who doesn't know what he's doing. In an ideal world I'd replace Bruce with someone better. But this notion that it's a piece of piss to go out there and appoint the first manager you see and he'll easily be an upgrade on bruce is just nonsense. This notion that nobody could be worse than bruce, or Henry can't fail but be an upgrade on Bruce isn't just nonsense, it's dangerous. All that being said, I actually like Thierry Henry as a player, a pundit and a person. If the club have properly recruited him and think he's the man for the job then of course I'll support him and yes there will be a part of me that is excited by the prospect that he MIGHT end up being really good. But how people can overlook the potential downside of it is beyond me. It is a massive risk. It's one that MIGHT pay off big time and we'll all be looking back in 12 months time saying how brilliant our new owners are at making such a ballsy move. But believe me, we could also be looking back in 12 months wondering what the **** they were doing sacking a manager with the calibre of Steve Bruce two weeks before the start of the season and appointing a complete novice during a period of uncertainty. Edited July 24, 2018 by Stevo985 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rubberman Posted July 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2018 I'm with thierrytini' - relegation is unlikely this season and my expectations were for mid-table mediocrity. Pretty good time to take a gamble. Let's hope it works out. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, hippo said: I never understand this - he will get his chance - the problem will be winning football games often enough “When he has failed” ”When he has totally bombed” Just two of your comments in which you give him a chance......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonokos Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 We very nearly didn't have a club to support this time last week. Now we have the third richest owners in the country. Personally I'm excited and whatever they decide I will support 100%. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, rubberman said: I'm with thierrytini' - relegation is unlikely this season and my expectations were for mid-table mediocrity. Pretty good time to take a gamble. Let's hope it works out. I like that lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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