nick76 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I know he can't be totally honest in his interviews as he needs maintain a positive outlook but his interviews are becoming more fairytale by the game. How he thinks we were in it for 60 minutes is bizarre, yes I know the scoreline gave us a chance at that point but the game certainly didn't. I know nothing will change in terms of his job status so where do we go from here?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Lambert us here until the end of the season at least Are you still happy about this Richard? Good luck on getting an answer to that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Why dont we just go back to playing like we did in the beginning of the season? Yes we may have been a bit lucky back then and can't expect similar point rate but surely we'd be picking up some points. It's so obvious this team can't play the way he now tries. Hmm... I'm not convinced. They are (supposedly) Premier League quality players. Surely they can adapt if they are coached in the correct way to play? I know it's not the premier league, but Australia just won the Asian cup playing that way with vastly inferior players having never played that style successfully before. Persistence and proper coaching paid off in the end. I don't think it is a case of adapting - what we are doing is fundamentally wrong. No teams plays so slow, so narrow - it won't work - Ever 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 "Go on now go Walk out the door Just turn around now 'Cause you're not welcome anymore" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I know he can't be totally honest in his interviews as he needs maintain a positive outlook but his interviews are becoming more fairytale by the game. How he thinks we were in it for 60 minutes is bizarre, yes I know the scoreline gave us a chance at that point but the game certainly didn't. I know nothing will change in terms of his job status so where do we go from here?!?! well, there was about 10-15 minutes in the first half we did have the bulk of the posession and did try a few break aways - leading to weimann's chance, and the first 5-10 minutes of the second half we started well and created a couple of chances, so it's not totally inaccurate to claim we were competitive until the 2nd goal. But once that went in we were truly woeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Lambert us here until the end of the season at least Are you still happy about this Richard? Good luck on getting an answer to that question.I'd be less happy if he left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted February 2, 2015 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2015 Still don't understand the personal abuse. Makes me cringe. You're grown men. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I've always supported Lambert. He came into the club under restrictions, he's still under restrictions, but he's come in and got the club 'settled'. Wage bill is under control, he's made some decent purchases, and dare I say there is an amount of positivity at the club. Unfortunately all this is useless if you aren't getting the results. Not only is he not getting the results, he's not getting the performances we would expect from a squad of our talent. We have a strong squad on paper, we should easily be finishing mid-table / Top 10. We have international calibre players, we have capped players, we have youth and energy.. Why are we struggling so? The responsibility has to land on Lambert's shoulder. It's the tactics, plain and simple. Yes, the players need to execute those tactics, but from the looks of our matches this season the majority of the time he has got them wrong. We need someone in who can get the best out of the players we have. I think that despite his friendship with Lerner he's working on borrowed time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 2, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) I know he can't be totally honest in his interviews as he needs maintain a positive outlook but his interviews are becoming more fairytale by the game. How he thinks we were in it for 60 minutes is bizarre, yes I know the scoreline gave us a chance at that point but the game certainly didn't. I know nothing will change in terms of his job status so where do we go from here?!?! Isn't that pretty much what he said though? He said we weren't good enough, but while it was 1-0 we were "in the game" I took that to mean we could still sneak something from it, not that we were as good as Arsenal. That interview is actually incredibly negative from Lambert. The running theme is that the goals we gave away were very poor, various players had bad games, we shouldn't be in the position we're in and that we were generally just not good enough. But people seem to be picking up on one line and saying "lolz he's delusional, he thinks we're good!" Edited February 2, 2015 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Lambert us here until the end of the season at least Are you still happy about this Richard? Good luck on getting an answer to that question. I'd be less happy if he left With what most people would claim to be his strongest squad is he not getting better results? Why is he persisting with the possession football when its proved it doesnt get results? Why did he set us up to play a high line when it was obvious we would be punished for it? Why did he not change it when it was obvious it wasnt working? Why has he not found an assistant when its obvious he needs help? But most of all what do you see that we dont that makes you think he is doing a good job and more importantly when he takes us down will you still think he is the best manager we have had in the last 20 years when during that time no other manager has lost us our premiership status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Posted February 2, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2015 It was 30 years Mikey! Look I know my stance is not a popular one and I appreciate that I may be in a shrinking minority , perhaps even a minority of one but to be honest if you believe in something and have some principles about it it is difficult to abandon it isnt it? I believe in Lambert. i like the bloke and I really think given the right circumstances he would be a great manager for us. In addition as a club we are a bit of a shambles and yes the playing side has a bit to do with that but the playing side is greatly influenced by the non playing side it pervades everything we do and are as a club. We also need some stability in terms off the managing of the club, and again I appreciate we have had 2 and a half years of the same manager and things have not seemingly improved but I do not believe that changing him now will improve or mak much difference and I truly believe that there is no one out there to the standard that will appease the fan base and work under the shit that Paul has had to deal with, or be prepared to work under that shit. People turned this club down before Paul took the job those people will not have changed their minds. So I think a removal now will lead to either a stop gap short term appointment or a young up and coming risk which is basically what Paul was. Paul Lambert has managed to avoid relegation here in each of his years with us and I truly believe we will do so again this year. And yes some people will say "only because there are three worse teams" well that's a "false narrative" for me because there is nothing to say we couldn't have been worse than them is there? We were better than them I also accept that these expectations are alien to us as a club and to a lot of the fan base. We are Aston Villa we should be competing at the top end of the table. That';s not me saying that that's jamie Carragher yesterday. Unfortunately though this is where we are as a club right now under this owner. We are that club fighting for scraps ensuring first and foremost we stay in the league and that club will get inconsistent results, will get more defeats than wins. Steve Bruce the other day said ten wins is what they look for, ten wins and you stay in the league. That's us. Sure the lack of goals is a big big problem for us and somewhat embarrassing , but you know what as long as we get ten wins and stay in the league I couldnt give a shit. Thats the club we are and thats what Lambert has been working under. I sometimes feel that all the angst on here and all the bad feeling is not down to the manager or the results but a little bit driven by the fact that people do not accept what stage we are as a club right now and I know people will disagree with that and this may be highlighted in reply so let me say this is my opinion right or wrong. So I guess in summary I do not believe changing the manager right now will make on iota of difference, positive difference. I believe it will be a retrograde step. I believe right now Lambert is the right manager for us and results and performances do not back that up admittedly, if we were looking at a club aiming for top 8 that is. But you know what supporting a football club is more than just looking at statistics, yes it is a results driven business but there was a time when I was growing up it was also a little bit about faith and hope and to be honest I'm still clinging to them 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CrackpotForeigner Posted February 2, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2015 I'm still with him, but bloody hell he'd better turn it around very soon. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CrackpotForeigner Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I believe in Lambert. i like the bloke and I really think given the right circumstances he would be a great manager for us. In addition as a club we are a bit of a shambles and yes the playing side has a bit to do with that but the playing side is greatly influenced by the non playing side it pervades everything we do and are as a club. We also need some stability in terms off the managing of the club, and again I appreciate we have had 2 and a half years of the same manager and things have not seemingly improved but I do not believe that changing him now will improve or mak much difference and I truly believe that there is no one out there to the standard that will appease the fan base and work under the shit that Paul has had to deal with, or be prepared to work under that shit. People turned this club down before Paul took the job those people will not have changed their minds. So I think a removal now will lead to either a stop gap short term appointment or a young up and coming risk which is basically what Paul was. Well put. This is why I want him to succeed, rather than watch the club "roll the dice" again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted February 2, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 2, 2015 I'm still with him, but bloody hell he'd better turn it around very soon. I'm slightly further along, if there was a good candidate that could generate some optimism, that could be worth a few wins straight off, which coming in to the run of fixtures that starts with Hull might be a good thing and save our season, then we should jump at the chance. He's got a hell of a lot to do to turn it around this time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David-Copenhagen Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I've always supported Lambert. He came into the club under restrictions, he's still under restrictions, but he's come in and got the club 'settled'. Wage bill is under control, he's made some decent purchases, and dare I say there is an amount of positivity at the club. Unfortunately all this is useless if you aren't getting the results. Not only is he not getting the results, he's not getting the performances we would expect from a squad of our talent. We have a strong squad on paper, we should easily be finishing mid-table / Top 10. We have international calibre players, we have capped players, we have youth and energy.. Why are we struggling so? The responsibility has to land on Lambert's shoulder. It's the tactics, plain and simple. Yes, the players need to execute those tactics, but from the looks of our matches this season the majority of the time he has got them wrong. We need someone in who can get the best out of the players we have. I think that despite his friendship with Lerner he's working on borrowed time. I agree with this in general. What I don't understand is why change the tactics mid season??? I know we had below 30% possession before and actually had more possession than Arsenal yesterday, but what good does it do when there is no end product?? In the long run possession might be a good thing, but right now we need goals and direct play suits us better - so why take this huge gamble. Surely Guardiola is not that convincing?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 With or against Lambert, sacking him now would be foolish and finding a replacement would be like playing dice with our future. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted February 2, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) But you know what supporting a football club is more than just looking at statistics, yes it is a results driven business but there was a time when I was growing up it was also a little bit about faith and hope and to be honest I'm still clinging to them Richard you know I have always respected your opinion (on football matters at least ;-) but I am finding it tough to agree with your stance regarding Lambert. I like you was over the moon when he arrived. He was number one choice to replace Houllier never mind McLeish. I could reel off a list as long as your arm of stats to highlight his failings but there is one that I thought about myself last night at around 2am ( I couldn't sleep for worrying about this club we all love) and I found it most shocking. In the last 19 league games, what constitutes half a season, we have taken 13 points, scored 7 goals and conceded 29. We have not played Hull, Newcastle or Stoke during that time but have played Leicester, Palace and Arsenal twice. I have never known a run of results that even come close to being as bad over such a long period of time. The questions I would genuinely love answered by those that back him are these. Do you think he has assembled a decent squad of players? if you do then do you believe that he is getting anything like the best out of them? You see I don't think you can answer yes to both the above. I believe he has assembled a good squad of players and deserves praise for that. I can't though on the one hand say that without then seeing that he isn't getting anything out of them. Our results over the last 19 games haven't just been poor they have been absolutely diabolical. There is absolutely not one shred of evidence to suggest he can turn things around. All through his time here we go on a poor run, pick up two or three half decent results, then go on another poor run. Things have gotten that bad now that I would actually take that although I am not sure one or two mini runs of positive results will be enough for us to survive this season. In previous seasons I have seen some validity in the reasons put forward for our failings under Lambert. His first season in getting his feet under the table and starting to reshape the squad going young and unproven. Last season the coaching staff issues and continuing problem of a lack of experience in the squad. This season though, with this squad of players, as much as I have tried I can see absolutely no excuse for anything like the terrible run of results and performances we have endured over the last 5 months. Unfortunately unlike you Richard for me faith and hope isn't a good enough reason to keep a manager when all the evidence tells you that it would be a totally misguided thing to do. Edited February 2, 2015 by markavfc40 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Still don't understand the personal abuse. Makes me cringe. You're grown men. Abuse? I've never seen any abuse in here. People wanting him out yes, but no abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Still don't understand the personal abuse. Makes me cringe. You're grown men. Abuse? I've never seen any abuse in here. People wanting him out yes, but no abuse. Well you are obviously blind as well as thick then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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