villan_007 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 32 minutes ago, TRO said: I know there are different styles of strikers , but Ideally I like to see those that move and can score with moderate service.....self creators if you like. Yes, but its a long tough season. You need a bit of everything. I like him because he is a nuisance, under the defenders armpit, wins free kicks and scores goals. I tnink he'd be a good asset in the champ. Scored a few last preseason, scored again in the first game. New era, new management. I'd keep him. Doesn't surprise me he isn't rated on VT. Broke his leg in a training accident, so is labeled injury prone. Says it all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 I suspect that he will not feature much this year at all, or else he'll score 20+ goals and power us into the Premiership.... or maybe somewhere in between. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 4 hours ago, srsmithusa said: I suspect that he will not feature much this year at all, or else he'll score 20+ goals and power us into the Premiership.... or maybe somewhere in between. 50:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 I'd like to see him given a chance. Not the most technically gifted player in the World, but we're playing in the Championship. Shit players don't become Europa League top scorers. If he scores 20 goals by the ball deflecting off his face, great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 8 hours ago, villan_007 said: Doesn't surprise me he isn't rated on VT. Broke his leg in a training accident, so is labeled injury prone. Says it all. That has absolutely nothing to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralJazzman Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 31 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: I'd like to see him given a chance. Not the most technically gifted player in the World, but we're playing in the Championship. Shit players don't become Europa League top scorers. If he scores 20 goals by the ball deflecting off his face, great. I think he does have technical ability, it was one thing I felt he could do better than Gestede - control, hold, short pass either forward or layoff. Felt he could also be strong enough to roll his man. Think his shooting is more instinctive than technical though and he is slow. But as another poster said he is a potential menace and agree that give him a chance where he may bag a few goals. Last season he wasn't confident after injury, may be different now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 9 hours ago, villan_007 said: Doesn't surprise me he isn't rated on VT. Broke his leg in a training accident, so is labeled injury prone. Says it all. You obviously haven't read the thread much. If you had you would see that at times he has been massively overrated, to the point that he was going to our saviour. As for injury prone I've seen very little posts indicating that. The reason that people don't like him is that he just isn't very good. He is slow, his hold up is poor and touch is terrible ( as an example there was one instance last season he was centre of goal, edge of the box, the ball was played to his feet, and his touch sent the ball out for a throw in). Yes he may finish the odd chance, but he is just a poor man Darren Bent who needs them put on a plate. We need better if we want to go up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: You obviously haven't read the thread much. If you had you would see that at times he has been massively overrated, to the point that he was going to our saviour. As for injury prone I've seen very little posts indicating that. The reason that people don't like him is that he just isn't very good. He is slow, his hold up is poor and touch is terrible ( as an example there was one instance last season he was centre of goal, edge of the box, the ball was played to his feet, and his touch sent the ball out for a throw in). Yes he may finish the odd chance, but he is just a poor man Darren Bent who needs them put on a plate. We need better if we want to go up. This is it. This is not the season for hoping that players that are not good enough will miraculously become better players. It is paramount that we get back up this season. We need to buy strikers and move on those who have had their chance. Even Kozak's supporters are admitting he is not that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralJazzman Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 I don't think RDM will be hoping for anything, if Kozak has shown his capabilities in training and pre-season he will stay and be a useful squad. If not RDM will be saying to Tony, these guys aren't good enough lets get rid and I want to try and get these guys in. So if he is still there come end of window we either couldn't shift him, or he is actually capable. I for one am trusting RDM to know if he is good enough or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Kozak main strength has been his movement which is very good but that is also not helped by his lack of pace. maybe in Championship he will be a bit more effective as defenders will be a bit slower as a 3rd/4th choice striker he be OK but dont think he is better than Gestede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 On 7/14/2016 at 21:38, TRO said: Usually, when the ifs buts and maybe's start rolling out......they ain't good enough. When they are good enough.....you will know and will argue the point with passion. ps....if in doubt....out. Basically this, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Rather him than Gestede as a squad option, if nothing else simply because he is more mobile. Having Gestede up top is like sending up a CB in the final minutes when pushing for an equalizer, only a desperate last option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 14 hours ago, villan_007 said: Yes, but its a long tough season. You need a bit of everything. I like him because he is a nuisance, under the defenders armpit, wins free kicks and scores goals. I tnink he'd be a good asset in the champ. Scored a few last preseason, scored again in the first game. New era, new management. I'd keep him. Doesn't surprise me he isn't rated on VT. Broke his leg in a training accident, so is labeled injury prone. Says it all. No, I don't agree with the last line, there is a plethora of opinions on VT. Libor for me, looks a bit lumbering....takes up decent positions granted. Those type of strikers are usually easy to mark with an equally big man and get easily negated What kills defenders is movement, they struggle with that......I know those players cost more, but you have to aspire for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Has scored off a hutton cross. I think he has the skills but lacks the pace to be a great striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Objectively the best striker we have. If given a chance this season I think he'll be an asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Better than Gestede! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 11 minutes ago, Supervillan78 said: Better than Gestede! ...and Gabby and Sinclair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 32 minutes ago, darrenm said: Objectively the best striker we have. If given a chance this season I think he'll be an asset. He's not even in the same league as Ayew. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAVFC Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 I still have no idea how good/bad he is, he's really not played enough to get a true indication. I do believe though, played regularly he'd certainly get in double figures, but I also think that Gabby would get double figures if he has found some drive. However we need our striker(s) to be getting 20+ Goals. Overall I think he's worth his place in the squad at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 I think him and Ayew would be an ok partnership, but I'd prefer him as #3 choice behind Ayew and a new forward. With our youngsters as backups. Key thing regardless is getting the midfield to function so our strikers have a supply line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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