kurtsimonw Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I meant 3 after tekkers kurt obviously i know tekkers was sold last summer I know what you meant too. But I wanted to be awkward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V01 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 So the last three he mentioned then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Another "article" in The Mag. The obession continues... News Aston Villa owner admits dream of having as many fans as Newcastle Poor Aston Villa owner Tony Xia has revealed how many season tickets they have sold and is looking enviously at Newcastle United... Aston Villa owner Tony Xia dreams of the day that his club have as many fans as Newcastle United. Villa have always had one of the most fickle fanbases in the Premier League and gates fell below thirty thousand last season. When times are good though they can pull in over forty thousand supporters, though even on a match to match basis their crowds can wildly fluctuate, often depending on who the opposition is. On 15 July 2016 Newcastle United announced: ‘Season ticket sales at Newcastle United have soared past last season’s total – with the first league game at St. James’ Park still a full month away. Despite relegation to the Sky Bet Championship, more than 33,000 supporters have already renewed or purchased a season ticket, which secures a seat at all 23 of the Magpies’ home league fixtures during the 2016/17 campaign.’ It is fair to assume that this figure must be well in excess of 35,000 now, after further signings and enthusiasm for the new season being so obvious. Asked by a Villa fan about how many season tickets the club had sold, Tony Xia replied: “Close to 20K, which is far behind Newcastle’s 33K. I really hope we can fully refill Villa Park again!!” It looks like poor Tony Xia has a long long way to go, with the Aston Villa fans failing to respond to the positive new owner and deserting the club on relegation. It gets worse for Tony Xia and Villa when you also take into consideration the third relegated club. Over three months ago back in March, Norwich City confirmed: ‘19,639 non-corporate season ticket holders have been sold.’ This was of course some time ago and at a time with relegation looking a near certainty. Norwich City are pretty much the total opposite of the Villa support, the Canaries might not have the largest fanbase to draw from but like Newcastle’s they are very loyal. In recent times they have had a yoyo existence between the Championship and Premier League but looking at average attendances, it is clear that whatever league they end up in, the Norwich fans stick with them. Last season in the Premier League they averaged more or less a full capacity 26,972, yet the previous year (2014/15) the average home crowds were 26,367, only 600 less. Safe to say based on that previous history and having 20k season tickets sold by March, Carrow Road will once again be full pretty much every match. It remains to be seen just how high Newcastle’s crowds can go but every confidence they can beat the near 44k average of the last (2009/10) Championship season. As for Aston Villa? Based on their past experience, if the team don’t get off to a decent start then we can expect a half empty Villa Park, not quite living up to the dreams of poor Tony Xia… - See more at: http://www.themag.co.uk/2016/07/aston-villa-owner-admits-dream-many-fans-newcastle-tony-xia-newcastle-united/#sthash.idlsZrLJ.dpuf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 26, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) It's almost like some Newcastle fans don't realise that Birmingham City, West Brom and Wolves are all almost a stones throw away from Villa. Newcastle seem to have this thing where they feel they are a superior club than a lot of clubs purely for the numbers they bring into the ground, it's weird. Swap Aston Villa and Newcastle geographically and Villa would have more support because of our history. It's just a strange thing to be so obsessed about. Edited July 26, 2016 by PieFacE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Yes. Poor Tony Xia. Having to put up with 4th rate jealous Geordie journo trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 My god that site really is obssessed with us its hilarous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 26, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 26, 2016 Newcastle's support is excellent to be fair, as is their....er...um....the.....let me think now....of course......hmmm...actually.......no, that seems to be all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) If only I was retarded enough to throw 400 quid a year on something that would often ruin (or put a dent into) my weekends. Newcastle, apart from the inhabitants having absolutely **** all else to do than go and watch a football team every 2 weeks, have done **** all in football. Why they chirp on about numbers of people present at a match is so thick it hurts. Edited July 26, 2016 by lapal_fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 26, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 26, 2016 2 hours ago, themag said: As for Aston Villa? Based on their past experience ... Eh, so you mean going back to the '87/88 season which is nigh on 30 seasons ago? Yes because that's completely analogous to right now for a variety of different reasons. But anyway, even with that being so, average attendances at Villa Park went up for the year we were in the 2nd tier, albeit marginally. But we certainly didn't desert beyond what had already happened with Doug's hatchet job in the top tier, taking a European Champion and relegating it within 6 seasons. In comparison, Newcastle have spent 5 seasons in the 2nd tier since 1987, and on each occasion when they were relegated (which is twice) their attendance dropped from the relegation season to the 2nd tier season, and in the '90/91 season which was their second consecutive season in the 2nd tier it dropped considerably again. Only in '91/92 & '92/93 did their 2nd tier attendances improve upon the previous season's totals. It's a similar story for them if you go back to their previous relegation in '77/78 which took them 6 seasons to rectify. But, again, they were different times so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted July 26, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2016 2 hours ago, PieFacE said: It's just a strange thing to be so obsessed about. It's all that they have to be proud of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 26, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) Wow, not that I'm fussed whether the Geordies think they're the "bigger club" or not, it always makes me smile that their argument begins and ends with attendances. That's it. Nothing else matters. Not the number of trophies won. Not the number of seasons spent in the top flight. Not the number of England internationals provided. Not the influence on the formative years of the game. Nope. Just attendances. As you say @PieFacE , look at the geography and professional football teams near each of Newcastle and Villa. Newcastle have Sunderland (their nearest at around 13 miles away). If we extend the radius out a bit to 40 miles, we can include Boro and of course there's the likes of Darlington and Hartlepool in that radius. I could be wrong but I think Carlisle is their next nearest team, around 60 miles away. So 6 clubs in a 60 mile radius. Congested. Comparatively, Villa have WBA & small heath (both within 5 miles), Wolves, Walsall & Coventry (all within 20 miles). Likewise, if we were a bit more generous and extended it to say 50 miles, then we have Stoke, Port Vale, Derby, Leicester, Nottingham Forest & Notts County. So 12 clubs in a 50 mile radius. And as I'm feeling generous, I won't include the likes of Kidderminster, Telford and Shrewsbury. Like I say, I don't mind what Newcastle fans think of us (whether it's the majority or the minority) they can hate us all they like, fine by me. They can keep turning up to their home games and support their team, not being fickle when things aren't quite how they'd like them, like they absolutely weren't with Pardew (I forget how that worked out for them, I'm sure it was ok). But I wish they attempted to move their "bigger club" argument past crowd attendance figures. They could say the Maxwell House music they run out to has a certain cheesy charm to it. Anything. Edited July 27, 2016 by Shropshire Lad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shropshire Lad said: As you say @PieFacE , look at the geography and professional football teams near each of Newcastle and Villa. Newcastle have Sunderland (their nearest at around 13 miles away). If we extend the radius out a bit to 40 miles, we can include Boro and of course there's the likes of Darlington and Hartlepool in that radius. I could be wrong but I think Carlisle is their next nearest team, around 60 miles away. So 6 clubs in a 60 mile radius. Congested. Comparatively, Villa have WBA & small heath (both within 5 miles), Wolves, Walsall & Coventry (all within 20 miles). Likewise, if we were a bit more generous and extended it to say 50 miles, then we have Stoke, Port Vale, Derby, Leicester, Nottingham Forest & Notts County. So 12 clubs in a 50 mile radius. And as I'm feeling generous, I won't include the likes of Kidderminster, Telford and Shrewsbury. Exactly. This website really shows how massive a catchment area the bigger clubs in the North East have and proves your point completely. -- http://www.myfootygrounds.co.uk/TeamFinder.asp There are more clubs within 10 miles of Villa Park than there are within 50 miles of the Sports Direct Arena. Considering it shows really obscure teams (Romulus, Tividale as local to VP) there's only 7 other clubs within 50 miles of Newcastle. We can dream of 50k every week at Villa Park. They've done it. They can dream of being European Champions. We've done it. Edited July 26, 2016 by kurtsimonw 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 I use Facebook likes as a good gauge of how many fans a club has. We have 2.3m likes to Newcastle's 2m. We should be drawing better crowds than we do tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 26, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: I use Facebook likes as a good gauge of how many fans a club has. We have 2.3m likes to Newcastle's 2m. We should be drawing better crowds than we do tbf. It's like the old saying goes "Build it and they will come unless they're Citeh fans". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 How many minutes from now until they write another article filled with quotes from what you've written above? I'll start the betting off with 180 minutes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meme Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 4 hours ago, StanBalaban said: Villa have always had one of the most fickle fanbases in the Premier League and gates fell below thirty thousand last season. The article-writer must have been born five years ago. Who am I kidding, he probably was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) I seem to recall Villa averaging over 30k in the 3rd division. Early 90s in the 2nd division Newcastle couldn't get 30k (including a season of 16k , despite being a division higher. #Fickle #ShitFans #BringingUpMeaninglessStatsBecauseWeAreShitAndHaveNothingBetterToDo Edited July 26, 2016 by kurtsimonw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) Deleted - I posted a link to some drivel in one of their local rags - just deleted it as I don't won't to encourage discussion about them, prefer to focus on Villa. Edited July 27, 2016 by Gary Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Quite a few of those Geordies really are struggling to get over the "Sob on the Tyne" and the "Who's your Next Messiah" banners from their first relegation. You would have thought that anger and hatred would have dispersed over the years, especially as they have achieved some results against us in the mean time, notably the Andy Carroll game under Kevin MacDonald. I think most clubs fans would have laughed it off over the years, but for some reason it keeps on bubbling away up there. I think the hatred has risen back to the surface recently again as they had us on the ropes with us already relegated, unable to even pick up a point from the previous XX amount of games, and them being able to hammer yet another nail into our coffin while at the same time securing their own survival in the PL. As it transpired all that happened was they managed to blow it big time, securing their own relegation in the process, allowing the final laugh to go to the Villa fans who were already in a party mood on that day. Cue Sob on the Tyne part deux. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) 16 minutes ago, NeilS said: Quite a few of those Geordies really are struggling to get over the "Sob on the Tyne" and the "Who's your Next Messiah" banners from their first relegation. You would have thought that anger and hatred would have dispersed over the years, especially as they have achieved some results against us in the mean time, notably the Andy Carroll game under Kevin MacDonald. I think most clubs fans would have laughed it off over the years, but for some reason it keeps on bubbling away up there. I think the hatred has risen back to the surface recently again as they had us on the ropes with us already relegated, unable to even pick up a point from the previous XX amount of games, and them being able to hammer yet another nail into our coffin while at the same time securing their own survival in the PL. As it transpired all that happened was they managed to blow it big time, securing their own relegation in the process, allowing the final laugh to go to the Villa fans who were already in a party mood on that day. Cue Sob on the Tyne part deux. Could be way off, but my impression is the local mags and papers like to use us to generate click bait and that creates this impression. I honestly couldn't care less about them and I suspect 'most' of their fans couldn't care less about us, until we play each other that is. I suppose the fact we are the two biggest clubs in the league now (with us being number 1 of course) fuels things a bit - that and the fact that by some twist of fate they keep getting relegated at VP! To be honest, I don't mind a bit of rivalry as it creates a bit of spice when we play them - atmosphere at the Newcastle game was great. Edited July 27, 2016 by Gary Thomas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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