sexbelowsound Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 57 minutes ago, TRO said: I think his talent is diluted playing further back.....but understand why against Boro. I think he will play further forward against Fulham. I'm not referring to just against Boro. This season he has played from a deeper position than he used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 hour ago, TRO said: I think his talent is diluted playing further back.....but understand why against Boro. I think he will play further forward against Fulham. The further back he plays the more ball he sees, Jack's not going to be playing on the shoulder of the last man looking for a ball over the top is he? He wants the ball into feet. Probably his best strength is keeping the ball in tight spaces, wriggling out of 2 or 3 challenges and driving at a defence, you can't do that as easily if you're picking the ball up on the edge of the box. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I think he has a chance of making today's squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 16, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: I think he has a chance of making today's squad. I don't. Southgate has been experimenting with lots of players for the past few England games. He said he knows who most of his squad is and there won't be any surprises. He's not going to suddenly pick Grealish who hasn't been in any of those squads. Grealish will make the England squad eventually. But it won't be for this world cup. Edited May 16, 2018 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 12 hours ago, villa4europe said: Caught merson on sky after the game, something along the lines of best weighting of a pass he's ever seen Some of the balls in to adomah he's not wrong, makes it look so simple So true. Once, just once, a 'Boro player read the pass to Adomah and cut it out. I applauded that player (in my head, of course) as I think it's the first time I've seen one of those passes from Grealish actually be cut out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 hour ago, TRO said: He needs to play further up field, where his work is better placed....but equally understand why, he did play deeper against Boro. I think he will be deployed further forward against Fulham.....his passion and enthusiasm has him trying to do it all.....I would prefer to see him in positions to hurt the opposition. I disagree; mainly because I've not seen as good a ball carrier in our team for a long, long time. Possibly can't remember the last one. At times against Boro (and, in fairness, probably because of the pace of Adama Traore), we were so deep and the only times we actually relieved any pressure was when Jack got the ball and ran with it. If you play him in that archetypal number 10 role (that we all saw him being at some point), I think you lose the ability to carry the ball up the pitch. Strangely, given his technique and passing ability, you'd lessen the teams' ability to hurt the opposition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, bobzy said: I disagree; mainly because I've not seen as good a ball carrier in our team for a long, long time. Possibly can't remember the last one. At times against Boro (and, in fairness, probably because of the pace of Adama Traore), we were so deep and the only times we actually relieved any pressure was when Jack got the ball and ran with it. If you play him in that archetypal number 10 role (that we all saw him being at some point), I think you lose the ability to carry the ball up the pitch. Strangely, given his technique and passing ability, you'd lessen the teams' ability to hurt the opposition. Well said. Against Middlesbrough we were able to get the ball up the pitch because of Jack, allowing the rest of the team to move up the pitch and be a potential threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: The further back he plays the more ball he sees, Jack's not going to be playing on the shoulder of the last man looking for a ball over the top is he? He wants the ball into feet. Probably his best strength is keeping the ball in tight spaces, wriggling out of 2 or 3 challenges and driving at a defence, you can't do that as easily if you're picking the ball up on the edge of the box. I think you are slightly exaggerating my point. I am not asking him to play on the shoulder of the last man, that is a strikers job. i am talking of an advanced midfield position......where his valuable perfectly weighted passes play strikers in.....The place where space is sparse and quick elusive feet are crucial is in the last third. I understand the point you make, but he is a luxury, playing back there.....for sure he has the feet and balance to carry the ball, but it can be at the expense of channeling all his focus and energy in the business end of the field.....He is close right now to becoming the complete footballer....we need to utilise him where he can do optimum damage. Edited May 16, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, bobzy said: I disagree; mainly because I've not seen as good a ball carrier in our team for a long, long time. Possibly can't remember the last one. At times against Boro (and, in fairness, probably because of the pace of Adama Traore), we were so deep and the only times we actually relieved any pressure was when Jack got the ball and ran with it. If you play him in that archetypal number 10 role (that we all saw him being at some point), I think you lose the ability to carry the ball up the pitch. Strangely, given his technique and passing ability, you'd lessen the teams' ability to hurt the opposition. I disagree too. I take your point and I am not lost on your opinion. i just happen to think it highlights a weakness in our squad. Jack cannot play everywhere,without consequences..... he clearly highlights what we have missing in other players. what you suggest he does well by carrying the ball out of defence, I applaud, but it is at the expense of what I want to see him doing. Jack Grealish, despite his undoubted ball control and his now additional combative spirit, is not a defender......I believe he would hurt the opposition much more in an advanced role, much like his position in the semi-final against Liverpool, where he perfectly illustrated what he is best at. Edited May 16, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) The way he plays is reminiscent of a young David Silva, if he has half the career of him he’ll have done well. Providing we get in the prem in the next couple of years (obviously hopefully this season), I definitely think he’ll be a future captain of our side. If he had decided to play for Ireland he’d probably have 20 caps by now, but I actually think he really wants to play for England that is driving him on to improve. He must see the likes of Alli, and think that could be him if we hadn’t been relegated. Edited May 16, 2018 by mikeyp102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I love him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 9 hours ago, dounavilla said: That normally triggers the end to the said Villa player. So no thanks. Not just Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Xela said: I love him easy tiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 2 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: The way he plays is reminiscent of a young David Silva, if he has half the career of him he’ll have done well. Providing we get in the prem in the next couple of years (obviously hopefully this season), I definitely think he’ll be a future captain of our side. If he had decided to play for Ireland he’d probably have 20 caps by now, but I actually think he really wants to play for England that is driving him on to improve. He must see the likes of Alli, and think that could be him if we hadn’t been relegated. MON is the manager. He'd have 7 sub appearances totalling 90 minutes if he had chosen to play for Ireland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted May 16, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted May 16, 2018 8 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: The further back he plays the more ball he sees, Jack's not going to be playing on the shoulder of the last man looking for a ball over the top is he? He wants the ball into feet. Probably his best strength is keeping the ball in tight spaces, wriggling out of 2 or 3 challenges and driving at a defence, you can't do that as easily if you're picking the ball up on the edge of the box. Yeah, but I think he'd be most effect around the 3/4, trying to be between the opposition midfield and their back 4. We'd need a proper ball player behind him for that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: MON is the manager. He'd have 7 sub appearances totalling 90 minutes if he had chosen to play for Ireland. no chance, i reckon he'd make a great RB... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted May 16, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted May 16, 2018 3 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: The way he plays is reminiscent of a young David Silva, if he has half the career of him he’ll have done well. Providing we get in the prem in the next couple of years (obviously hopefully this season), I definitely think he’ll be a future captain of our side. If he had decided to play for Ireland he’d probably have 20 caps by now, but I actually think he really wants to play for England that is driving him on to improve. He must see the likes of Alli, and think that could be him if we hadn’t been relegated. Bring relegated has hopefully helped in Grealish not being the brat Alli is becoming. I actually believe Alli needs to be careful with his career over the next couple of seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: Bring relegated has hopefully helped in Grealish not being the brat Alli is becoming. I actually believe Alli needs to be careful with his career over the next couple of seasons. I think since Rooney retired the media will make him the villain going forward starting with Russia in a few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 10 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: The further back he plays the more ball he sees, Jack's not going to be playing on the shoulder of the last man looking for a ball over the top is he? He wants the ball into feet. Probably his best strength is keeping the ball in tight spaces, wriggling out of 2 or 3 challenges and driving at a defence, you can't do that as easily if you're picking the ball up on the edge of the box. He is quickly becoming more than just an attacking midfielder and on the way to being the complete midfielder I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Zatman said: I think since Rooney retired the media will make him the villain going forward starting with Russia in a few weeks Steriling is way ahead of Alli in this regard. I mean he even bought his mother a house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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