sidcow Posted May 26, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: We desperately need him to stay, however he owes it to himself to play at a higher level because he's head and shoulders above the Championship. He'd have to be one hell of a sentimentalist to stick around next season, offers will be almost certainly on the table and he'd be a fool to turn them down. If he doesn't go now he will be a Steve Bull type here forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I think he will, and needs to stay, for another season. He could develop into a very very good player, but a move now, to a club like West Ham or something, would be a waste of his talent. Let him stay one more year, put some more pace and energy around him, and get him to get a few more goals and he will be a £50m plus player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Head and shoulders our best player on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 28 minutes ago, ROTTERDAM1982 said: I think he will, and needs to stay, for another season. He could develop into a very very good player, but a move now, to a club like West Ham or something, would be a waste of his talent. Let him stay one more year, put some more pace and energy around him, and get him to get a few more goals and he will be a £50m plus player He really doesn't. He has peaked here, he now needs to be with better players and at a higher level, perfect time for him to go. No one is paying £50m for a 23/24 year old Championship player, don't be silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: He really doesn't. He has peaked here, he now needs to be with better players and at a higher level, perfect time for him to go. No one is paying £50m for a 23/24 year old Championship player, don't be silly. Jack is currently 22, but I think you're taking into account another season? His ceiling is high, no one is paying a championship club that money, but he might be worth it, one day at least. Not sure that I agree that he has peaked here. Admirable and considerable improvement in his development without doubt has seen him become a cut above the rest. For one season though? It took Michael Jordan 6 years to bring glory to the bulls, and if you were on his team he'd demand a standard of input from those around him. Jack could and should only continue to improve at this level and with his head screwed on could learn a lot about leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 It’s in his best interest that we let him go. And our best interest because we’re gonna need the cash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 He hasn't peaked, he has had a good 2nd half of the season. One thing I would give SB a lot of praise for is the amount of belief, and encouragement to Jack without putting too much pressure on him. Jack has played really well the 2nd half of the season because , he is the best player in the Championship, but he is 22 and to be as good as I think he can become, he needs to add more goals, and pick his passes a bit better. Hes not far off, but he won't develop at a mid table Prem team who would be under pressure not to get dragged in to a relegation fight. He needs to stop at VP, a place he loves, where he is loved, where he can grow in confidence,If he goes, he goes, but he has been a joy to watch this year, so whatever he does, best wishes to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Just now, ROTTERDAM1982 said: He hasn't peaked, he has had a good 2nd half of the season. One thing I would give SB a lot of praise for is the amount of belief, and encouragement to Jack without putting too much pressure on him. Jack has played really well the 2nd half of the season because , he is the best player in the Championship, but he is 22 and to be as good as I think he can become, he needs to add more goals, and pick his passes a bit better. Hes not far off, but he won't develop at a mid table Prem team who would be under pressure not to get dragged in to a relegation fight. He needs to stop at VP, a place he loves, where he is loved, where he can grow in confidence,If he goes, he goes, but he has been a joy to watch this year, so whatever he does, best wishes to him. He was injured for almost all of the first half no? He's at a point where he won't develop further due to the shitness of those around him. He has to go and play with better players in order to improve. If he stays here he will regress. Obviously I hope he does stay, but from the perspective of his career he'd be insane to stay. If he goes to the right premier league club that plays the right kind of football I have no doubt he'll develop into an England international. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 That's why I said a good 2nd half of the season., Kodja isn't shit, and I don't think Green is either, I prefer Davis to Grabben, and I think Hepburn should be given a chance next year.For me our biggest problem has been that the central midfield pair don't win the ball quick enough, or are accurate enough with their passes to let Jack do his work. I would have took Jack to Russia by the way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I think he'll stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Needs to improve his shooting. He's improving every game. Needs more energy from players around him in the middle of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Watching the highlights on CH5 and the hatchet job Fulham did on him tells you his quality shame the ref wasn’t a bit firmer , not just the stamp but throughout the game not just Villa’s best player but the best player on the pitch today 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 He is 22 and has time to give us one more season at this level and I think that is exactly what he will do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I don't blame him for losing it. Fulham were gross on him and the ref let them do it. He only sent Odoi off because he had no other choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifamad Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 How much do you think we will get for him? About 12-18m? I think Grealish will be tempted by the money if a prem team comes calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: He was injured for almost all of the first half no? He's at a point where he won't develop further due to the shitness of those around him. He has to go and play with better players in order to improve. If he stays here he will regress. Obviously I hope he does stay, but from the perspective of his career he'd be insane to stay. If he goes to the right premier league club that plays the right kind of football I have no doubt he'll develop into an England international. Do not agree that he will regress, he is 22, his body is half a decade away from its prime and his mind and nous possibly a decade if all goes reasonably well. He will only continue to improve by the standards he sets himself and the work that he puts in, it would take one very toxic environment or a poor coach for Jack to regress. Others around him will determine how far the team can go, which is what it's all about, so I can understand the incentive to take on a new challenge. That said there is a very real and unaccomplished challenge right here at this club. I believe, due in part to the size of the club, but also depending on the right decisions being made, that there will be a challenge for Jack to improve on here for the rest of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I think he will give it one more season, but will definitely be off next summer if we don’t get promoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_Wren Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Jack, you dont know me. But I owe you an apology. I’ll keep it short and sweet. You have been the the best player on the pitch every game this year. You’ve been kicked pillar to post and stood up and been counted. I only wish we had more of you. I am very sorry i doubted you. All the best, Dom 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 He really should leave for the Premier League this season.. Too good for the championship. Get around £15m for him and rebuild the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 12 hours ago, Eastie said: Depends who comes in for him - no point going to sit on the bench at one of the big 6 . i think he may stay one more year . It’s catch 22 for him. He loves Villa, so can’t see him leaving for a low placed prem team, but then I can’t see him starting games for a high placed one. Ive always said he’d stay until January and if we are in a strong position he’ll stay until the end of the season to get us up and then beyond if up. Bruces comments did sound like he is off though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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