bose Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Watkins is scoring now and generally playing much better than a few months ago. Ings will be itching to take his place because like many posters have said they just don't work together on the pitch. Not bad to have serious competition and I think Ings can work in a Gerrard system. A hungry Danny Ings coming off the bench when we need a goal isn't too bad a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, gwi1890 said: Most people are scared of depth and rotation, almost like they don’t want us to reach the next level I struggle to see how Ings is next level when he isn't better than Watkins. He is also blocking the pathway for Archer. Ings best days are past him and he is injury prone. I think it was a poor piece of business. Edited December 16, 2021 by villalad21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Mat Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, villalad21 said: I struggle to see how Ings is next level when he isn't better than Watkins. He is also blocking the pathway for Archer. Ings beat days are past him and he is injury prone. I think it was a poor piece of business. If Watkins gets injured, we have a seasoned goal scorer in Ings as backup. In terms of Archer he wasn't even considered to be 3rd choice when we signed Ings so it's not blocking the pathway, but providing competition, young players need that. Archers done well but he's not anywhere near the level of Ings and certainly isn't ready to lead the line for us if Watkins gets a long term injury. Edited December 16, 2021 by The Other Mat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Cameron Archer was set to be released this summer before surprising the 1st team coaches in training. It would be utterly moronic to suddenly have him as our 2nd choice striker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, The Other Mat said: If Watkins gets injured, we have a seasoned goal scorer in Ings as backup. In terms of Archer he wasn't even considered to be 3rd choice when we signed Ings so it's not blocking the pathway, but providing competition, young players need that. Archers done well but he's not anywhere near the level of Ings and certainly isn't ready to lead the line for us if Watkins gets a long term injury. What's the point with Archer being here then? Literally no way in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Might be more useful if we get into European for next season as that is about another 8-10 games a season. We are probably going to barely hit40 games this season given our cup draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Not sure why people completely ignore the fact that Archer always plays as a wide forward, he hardly ever plays through the middle, even at U23 level when he plays he plays as one of the wide men in a front three. At Solihull he mostly played wide as well. Caleb Chukwuemeka is the academy striker that's being developed for a role through the middle, I imagine we will be seeing more of him around the first team squad if Davis goes out on loan, presuming he doesn't go out on loan himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted December 16, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2021 can't be bothered to go back a few pages, but are people really suggesting selling ings? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, tomav84 said: can't be bothered to go back a few pages, but are people really suggesting selling ings? No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted December 16, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, villalad21 said: What's the point with Archer being here then? Literally no way in for him. Sell everyone except the first XI and the kids. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, useless said: Not sure why people completely ignore the fact that Archer always plays as a wide forward, he hardly ever plays through the middle, even at U23 level when he plays he plays as one of the wide men in a front three. At Solihull he mostly played wide as well. Caleb Chukwuemeka is the academy striker that's being developed for a role through the middle, I imagine we will be seeing more of him around the first team squad if Davis goes out on loan, presuming he doesn't go out on loan himself. I mean, Archer has to my memory always played as a centre forward for our senior team. I've never seen people talk about him as a wide forward before. It's different to someone like Bidace for example. Edited December 16, 2021 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 He's played one game for the senior team as a centre forward and that was against Barrow, because Watkins and ings were rested, and Davis was out injured. He more often than not plays as a wide forward, he played there for our academy teams, he played there for us when he made his debut, he mostly played there whilst on loan at Solihull, he plays there this season for our U23s in the EFL Trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 44 minutes ago, villalad21 said: What's the point with Archer being here then? Literally no way in for him. To train with the first team and develop, he’s likely to go out on loan again depending on what happens with Keinan Davis the coming window, if The no way in thing is your argument what’s the point of Our entire u23’s? Let’s sell a quality senior striker so Archer can get minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 46 minutes ago, villalad21 said: What's the point with Archer being here then? Literally no way in for him. I don't know, how about be better than Ings? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Edit: I'm not saying that Archer won't end up being a centre forward, like Barry that may well be his long term position, but for now he mostly plays wide, and if he isn't first choice centre forward for the U23s when he plays for them, he's unlikely to have a chance of playing there for the first team ahead of the likes of Watkins, Ings, and even Davis, Caleb Chukwuemeka will probably also overtake him in line for a place in the first team as a centre forward as well given that he's already playing there ahead of Archer for the U23s. As for Ings it's not just about whether we want to sell him or not, given that we started the season trying to play him and Watkins in the same team, I think there's a fair chance he signed for us in the believe that he'd be a starter for us, now Gerrard is here that probably won't the case, so the question of whether he will be happy or not to be a squad player also comes into it, if he's happy enough for that role all well and good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted December 16, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, tomav84 said: can't be bothered to go back a few pages, but are people really suggesting selling ings? You say "people" but I suspect Russian bots sowing discord. It's the only logical explanation. Edited December 16, 2021 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 A lot of pundits were saying Ings to man city would be a good move or Ings would be the perfect replacement if Kane went to spurs. We should consider ourselves lucky that we've got him here. Gerrard will make it work. He knows he has to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 We've got Wesley and Davis still on the books and people want to sell Ings. Daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 3 hours ago, villalad21 said: I struggle to see how Ings is next level when he isn't better than Watkins. He is also blocking the pathway for Archer. Ings best days are past him and he is injury prone. I think it was a poor piece of business. Do you think he's better than Archer right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, DCJonah said: A lot of pundits were saying Ings to man city would be a good move or Ings would be the perfect replacement if Kane went to spurs. We should consider ourselves lucky that we've got him here. Gerrard will make it work. He knows he has to. He'll want to make it work, just not sure it will. Ings looks very, very ordinary to me so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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