Popular Post cheltenham_villa Posted December 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2021 Mental to consider selling him. We're now a team that can bring in Danny Ings instead of Keinan Davies if we can an injury up front. Rather than constantly trying to sell someone out of form, why don't we consider just building on what we have. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 48 minutes ago, cheltenham_villa said: Mental to consider selling him. We're now a team that can bring in Danny Ings instead of Keinan Davies if we can an injury up front. Rather than constantly trying to sell someone out of form, why don't we consider just building on what we have. Or we could buy better? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ferguson1 Posted December 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2021 He needs to be the Watkins back up in the lone striker role. It’s really obvious now that having him and Watkins on the pitch together just doesn’t work. It makes us totally disjointed. I suppose if he doesn’t want to be back up man, then we may need to move him on and replace but only if he pushed for a move. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nick76 Posted December 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 minute ago, ferguson1 said: He needs to be the Watkins back up in the lone striker role. It’s really obvious now that having him and Watkins on the pitch together just doesn’t work. It makes us totally disjointed. I suppose if he doesn’t want to be back up man, then we may need to move him on and replace but only if he pushed for a move. Apart from scoring last night, Watkins was generally poor in that game as many said in the various threads. Ings got 30 minutes under his belt last night after injury to get some fitness and you can tell from Gerrard’s comments he rates him very highly, so Ings won’t be Watkins back up, he’ll be on rotation with Watkins and whoever deserves the shirt will play. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 minute ago, nick76 said: Apart from scoring last night, Watkins was generally poor in that game as many said in the various threads. Ings got 30 minutes under his belt last night after injury to get some fitness and you can tell from Gerrard’s comments he rates him very highly, so Ings won’t be Watkins back up, he’ll be on rotation with Watkins and whoever deserves the shirt will play. No issue at all with rotation, I just don’t want to see Watkins and Ings on the pitch together at the same time. I really think it weakens us. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Ings is too injury prone to be relied on as our main striker. Watkins press more effectively, more athletic, better age, less injury prone, more development potential. I see very little reasons favoring Ings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, jimmygreaves said: Or we could buy better? Is there really a better striker available and affordable? Most of the strikers in this league are having a poor season. Bringing players in from abroad is a risk as you don't know how they will adapt. IMO Ings is quite a decent option to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 If Gerrard and his staff can get a tune out of Watkins and Ings in the same 11 then I will be very impressed. Within 5 minutes of them coming on we lost all shape and ball retention and balance. It is one or the other and Oli is back firing. Good headache. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: If Gerrard and his staff can get a tune out of Watkins and Ings in the same 11 then I will be very impressed. Within 5 minutes of them coming on we lost all shape and ball retention and balance. It is one or the other and Oli is back firing. Good headache. Fully agree. However with our injuries and covid I can see the need to play them together in the short term. It just looks a bit clunky currently, and I'm not sure its just watkins not suiting the wing role. It may be worth reversing the roles to see if ings plays the 10 role better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 3 hours ago, jimmygreaves said: Or we could buy better? Do both. When we have better, then let's sell. Else we always gamble. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Gerrard mentioned building his fitness up last night - going to be very interesting to see what he does when he’s fully fit. A good headache to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Just seems an expensive back up option to have a 29 year old on 120 grand a week sitting on the bench most of the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 3 hours ago, villalad21 said: Ings is too injury prone to be relied on as our main striker. Watkins press more effectively, more athletic, better age, less injury prone, more development potential. I see very little reasons favoring Ings. Why is there a need? We have both, they can both play through rotation. All those things are valid for Watkins but Ings is the better finisher, more experience understanding situations and Ollie can learn from Ings just as Ings can learn from Ollie. They will push each other to get the shirt, which is great for us. Ollie still has a lot to learn and can learn from Ings. Ings is a proven PL striker. We don’t need to be relied on as our main striker as we have both him and Ollie, and from Gerrard’s comments he wants Ings around so I don’t see him being sold and I think we’d be foolish to do so. Having two quality strikers is great for us even if you think Ollie is number one which is up for discussion. At worst we’ll have Ings as back up if Ollie is injured like he has been this season or out of form like he has been at times this season. Plenty of minutes for both available, Ings has almost 900 minutes so far, so there is space for both in the squad and the main thing is it seems Gerrard wants both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Just seems an expensive back up option to have a 29 year old on 120 grand a week sitting on the bench most of the time. 900 minutes so far this season suggests he’s not only going to a bench player. Gerrard’s comments about Ings suggests he isn’t only going to be a bench player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 I thought Ings looked way off the pace when he came on. The touch of Peter Sutcliffe. He's not even close to starting a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: Just seems an expensive back up option to have a 29 year old on 120 grand a week sitting on the bench most of the time. If we see ourselves as a club challenging for Europe then you need another quality 11 in the squad. Otherwise you pull a Burnley and finish just above relegation due to the stress of a European campaign. I'm with you. I would have preferred a cheaper options but after losing Grealish we needed some proven PL quality to call upon. The fee was on the low side and contract length is right (3 years) so I can accept the higher than average wages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 7 hours ago, cheltenham_villa said: Mental to consider selling him. We're now a team that can bring in Danny Ings instead of Keinan Davies if we can an injury up front. Rather than constantly trying to sell someone out of form, why don't we consider just building on what we have. Or just do the classic VT. "I think he could make a good DM. I'd like to see him at DM. He has the attributes." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 6 hours ago, jimmygreaves said: Or we could buy better? Who is better? Salah, Kane, Jesus, maybe Aubameyang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie k Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 29 isnt old. some people are writing him off because of his age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 8 hours ago, Richie k said: 29 isnt old. some people are writing him off because of his age Most people are scared of depth and rotation, almost like they don’t want us to reach the next level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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