Laughable Chimp Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Sulberto21 said: I will stick my neck out and say he is one of the best 5 crossers of a ball in English football. Cash, De Bruyne, Trent Alexander Arnold, Ward Prowse and..... Actually can't think of anyone else who might be better than him. Don't underestimate the quality of an Elmo cross. Edit: Decided to use whoscored stats to calculate and rank the crossing accuracies of players this season for the hell of it. Seemed fun to do. I'm only looking at players who are averaging at least 1 accurate cross per 90 minutes and have played at least 500 minutes(which sadly disqualifies Barkley who has put in a remarkable 42% crossing accuracy in his 455 minutes this season so far). Also if the 2 players happened to have the same crossing acccuracy rounded to 2 significant figures, the one that put in more crosses total is ranked higher. 1-Jamal Lewis-45% 2-Andros Townsend-37% 3-Mason Mount-37% 4-Pascal Gros-35% 5-Luke Shaw-34% 6-Aaron Cresswell-32% 7-Tom Cairney-32% 8-Leandro Trossard-32% 9-Kalvin Phillips-32% 10-Vladimir Coufal-31% 11-Arthur Masuaku-31% 12-Gyilfi Sigurdsson-30% 13-Matheus Pereira-30% 14-Son Heung-Min-29% 15-Tariq Lamptey-29% 16-Lucas Digne-28% 17-James Ward-Prowse-28% 18-Bruno Fernandes-28% 19-Eberechi Eze-28% 20-Pedro Neto-27% 21-Antonee Robinson-27% 22-John Fleck-27% 23-Jarrod Bowen-26% 24-Kevin de Bruyne-25% 25-Ben Osborn-25% 26-Dwight Mcneil-24% 27-James Maddison-24% 28-Ben Chilwell-24% 29-Matt Phillips-24% 30-Trent Alexander-Arnold-23% 31-Bertrand Traore-23% 32-Reece James-22% 33-Raphinha-22% 34-Ashley Westwood-22% 35-Andrew Robertson-21% 36-James Rodriguez-21% 37-John Lundstram-20% 38-Jack Harrison-18% 39-Adama Traore-18% 40-Willian-14% Cash isn't on the list because whoscored lists him as having only 0.9 successful crosses per 90. But his crossing success rate is 24% regardless. Obviously Elmo isn't on there due to how little he's played this season but his crossing success rate last season was 33% Edited January 2, 2021 by Laughable Chimp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted January 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, VillaChris said: Blimey it really is all about winning and losing! There were loads of positives tonight. Positive as in a player versus their "normal" or average was what I meant. Was a bit late last night. Edited January 2, 2021 by AVTuco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 7 hours ago, Zatman said: Get him on set pieces immediately, that criss for Mings was delicious 100% this His run up for that free kick was like he was kicking a rugby conversion. Superb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 He’s an absolutely superb player and my favourite behind Grealish. Fantastic signing and we should be looking to tie him down to an even bigger contract when we get the chance as his performances are consistently superb. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said: Don't underestimate the quality of an Elmo cross. Edit: Decided to use whoscored stats to calculate and rank the crossing accuracies of players this season for the hell of it. Seemed fun to do. I'm only looking at players who are averaging at least 1 accurate cross per 90 minutes and have played at least 500 minutes(which sadly disqualifies Barkley who has put in a remarkable 42% crossing accuracy in his 455 minutes this season so far). Also if the 2 players happened to have the same crossing acccuracy rounded to 2 significant figures, the one that put in more crosses total is ranked higher. 1-Jamal Lewis-45% 2-Andros Townsend-37% 3-Mason Mount-37% 4-Pascal Gros-35% 5-Luke Shaw-34% 6-Aaron Cresswell-32% 7-Tom Cairney-32% 8-Leandro Trossard-32% 9-Kalvin Phillips-32% 10-Vladimir Coufal-31% 11-Arthur Masuaku-31% 12-Gyilfi Sigurdsson-30% 13-Matheus Pereira-30% 14-Son Heung-Min-29% 15-Tariq Lamptey-29% 16-Lucas Digne-28% 17-James Ward-Prowse-28% 18-Bruno Fernandes-28% 19-Eberechi Eze-28% 20-Pedro Neto-27% 21-Antonee Robinson-27% 22-John Fleck-27% 23-Jarrod Bowen-26% 24-Kevin de Bruyne-25% 25-Ben Osborn-25% 26-Dwight Mcneil-24% 27-James Maddison-24% 28-Ben Chilwell-24% 29-Matt Phillips-24% 30-Trent Alexander-Arnold-23% 31-Bertrand Traore-23% 32-Reece James-22% 33-Raphinha-22% 34-Ashley Westwood-22% 35-Andrew Robertson-21% 36-James Rodriguez-21% 37-John Lundstram-20% 38-Jack Harrison-18% 39-Adama Traore-18% 40-Willian-14% Cash isn't on the list because whoscored lists him as having only 0.9 successful crosses per 90. But his crossing success rate is 24% regardless. Obviously Elmo isn't on there due to how little he's played this season but his crossing success rate last season was 33% Well I got told.!!! Only thing I'll say regarding those stats is sometimes we only have one person in the box. A couple of times Watkins was on his heels and didn't get across the defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) Lewis is only on that list because of everytime he is in the oppo half he is instructed to swing in a looping floaty dead cross onto the head of Carroll or Joelinton should they be in the pitch so Newcastle can look for 50-50s and knockdowns. Edit : Yep, not a single assist. Get it in the mixer! Edited January 2, 2021 by rodders0223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Delphinho123 said: He’s an absolutely superb player and my favourite behind Grealish. Fantastic signing and we should be looking to tie him down to an even bigger contract when we get the chance as his performances are consistently superb. Love him, not much gets through him and you can see his style influencing Targett, who has gone through the roof compared to last year, great fullbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, AVTuco said: Positive as in a player versus their "normal" or average was what I meant. Was a bit late last night. No I saw a couple of your posts last night in the match and you seemed incredibly pessimistic during the game even in the spells we were playing well so I simply can't get this view it's better to be in the championship playing average football winning 2-0 v likes of Bolton and Rotherham on a Tuesday at VP infront of 25k just because we win a few more games. We had poor runs of winless games in those three championship seasons aswell. We only actually won 16 games in 16/17 aswell so very good chance we'll beat that number this season. Only won 20 in 18/19 which massive suprised me just checking again now. Edited January 2, 2021 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted January 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2021 22 minutes ago, VillaChris said: No I saw a couple of your posts last night in the match and you seemed incredibly pessimistic during the game even in the spells we were playing well so I simply can't get this view it's better to be in the championship playing average football winning 2-0 v likes of Bolton and Rotherham on a Tuesday at VP infront of 25k just because we win a few more games. We had poor runs of winless games in those three championship seasons aswell. We only actually won 16 games in 16/17 aswell so very good chance we'll beat that number this season. Only won 20 in 18/19 which massive suprised me just checking again now. Having had a taste of being dominant is addictive. Yesterday we obviously weren't, so my feeling was downbeat all game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 12 hours ago, Zatman said: Get him on set pieces immediately, that criss for Mings was delicious Came here to post the same. I know Troare has put in a few good balls, but on balance he has been mediocre taking set pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Fantastic signing. Great to know we’ve got a top right back for many years to come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooJung Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 This is starting to look like an excellent piece of business, he's been good from the start, but there were glimpses of potential mistakes here and there. But the mistakes have been few and far between, he's reliable, dynamic, good on the ball, great delivery, and pretty much all you can want from a modern full back. And it's only his second ever season in that position and first at this level, he's still got a Greta margin of improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, WooJung said: This is starting to look like an excellent piece of business, he's been good from the start, but there were glimpses of potential mistakes here and there. But the mistakes have been few and far between, he's reliable, dynamic, good on the ball, great delivery, and pretty much all you can want from a modern full back. And it's only his second ever season in that position and first at this level, he's still got a Greta margin of improvement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenfly Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 20 hours ago, AVTuco said: Having had a taste of being dominant is addictive. Yesterday we obviously weren't, so my feeling was downbeat all game. Understandable, but it's important to keep perspective here. Just being in the game against a top side like them is fantastic. We shouldn't be expecting to win those games realistically, so the fact we could, and probably should, have got something from it is encouraging. It's important as a fanbase that we don't get ahead of ourselves. We are in danger of becoming spoilt, and that can easily lead to toxicity which can ultimately undermine the team's morale. (None of this is aimed at you btw - just a general point I think needs saying.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 I want to see Cash have a few more pops on goal. He's got some juice in his shots from what I've seen during his forest days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, Sulberto21 said: I want to see Cash have a few more pops on goal. He's got some juice in his shots from what I've seen during his forest days. Players are often encouraged now to shoot from range nowadays (unless your name is El Ghazi) due to percentages. Which is probably why we haven't seen much of it, especially playing at right back now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 40 minutes ago, VillaAlex said: Players are often encouraged now to shoot from range nowadays (unless your name is El Ghazi) due to percentages. Which is probably why we haven't seen much of it, especially playing at right back now. I think it's probably down to the fact of bedding in at a new team at a higher level more than anything. As his confidence grows I think we'll see even more from him in an attacking sense. He's been great for us so far and I think he'll only get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Really hope he can kick on even further than he has already and sneak into the England squad... Grealish and Mings and possibly Cash, Konsa and Watkins at the Euros... That would be awesome and an excellent statement of the rapid progress we have made as a club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Can't believe this is his first full season as a right back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicVillan Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 He's been excellent....like the player Hutton thought he was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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