blandy Posted November 18, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: at present they dont but they sare slowly increasing their influence in health care all over the world. I dont like the thought of potentially a single organisation dictating our health care. We should ourselves be in control of our own healthcare. The WHOs influence is increasing thats all im saying. Dem, you know, like, international bodies such as I dunno, The World meteorological Organisation ( I suspect not, but that's cool) - essentially scientists from all over the world who study the climate and weather and stuff and then share their observations with each other, come up with "what we found out by comparing all our observations, subjecting them to peer review, and documenting their conclusions, theories, recommendations, factual data and so on) - their people are experts in a narrow field of climate study. They document, with supporting evidence and references, what the people in their narrow field of specialism have discovered. They present it to anyone who wants to look at it. Individual nations, politicians, charities, NGOs, media, whoever are free to look at what they say, what they recommend, what they dispute, where they agree and all the rest, and then act accordingly. A Trump might decide to ignore it all, an Oil company exec might deny it's right, a Green Party MP in Germany might say "it's too cautious". But the point is no one is forcing any nation to adhere to what they say or recommend. The WHO is the same. They're not controlling anyone. They're providing information. Sometimes that info might be spot on and their recommendations likewise. Sometimes it might be only partially (with hindsight) the absolute best. And in part that's because they are subjected to political pressures and hedge their bests a bit, and in part because the data is not as complete as it might be, and in part because science is never settled. It can always be challenged, and if the challenge is looked at and found to be correct, or the original conclusions found not to be 100%, then it all gets adjusted and improved. It's like the Covid stuff - science said "maybe do this to minimise transmission and reduce deaths and infections", but Political argument (valid) said "if we do all that, people will lose their jobs, their incomes, their freedom will be impinged upon to unacceptable levels, so don't do that" And the result is, or was, that different nations made different choices. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, blandy said: Dem, you know, like, international bodies such as I dunno, The World meteorological Organisation ( I suspect not, but that's cool) - essentially scientists from all over the world who study the climate and weather and stuff and then share their observations with each other, come up with "what we found out by comparing all our observations, subjecting them to peer review, and documenting their conclusions, theories, recommendations, factual data and so on) - their people are experts in a narrow field of climate study. They document, with supporting evidence and references, what the people in their narrow field of specialism have discovered. They present it to anyone who wants to look at it. Individual nations, politicians, charities, NGOs, media, whoever are free to look at what they say, what they recommend, what they dispute, where they agree and all the rest, and then act accordingly. A Trump might decide to ignore it all, an Oil company exec might deny it's right, a Green Party MP in Germany might say "it's too cautious". But the point is no one is forcing any nation to adhere to what they say or recommend. The WHO is the same. They're not controlling anyone. They're providing information. Sometimes that info might be spot on and their recommendations likewise. Sometimes it might be only partially (with hindsight) the absolute best. And in part that's because they are subjected to political pressures and hedge their bests a bit, and in part because the data is not as complete as it might be, and in part because science is never settled. It can always be challenged, and if the challenge is looked at and found to be correct, or the original conclusions found not to be 100%, then it all gets adjusted and improved. It's like the Covid stuff - science said "maybe do this to minimise transmission and reduce deaths and infections", but Political argument (valid) said "if we do all that, people will lose their jobs, their incomes, their freedom will be impinged upon to unacceptable levels, so don't do that" And the result is, or was, that different nations made different choices. Im just hoping it remains that way that's all im saying this is their role and it should remain that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 18, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Im just hoping it remains that way that's all im saying this is their role and it should remain that way Well, yes, that's right. I think that the "problem isn't with the scientists, but with Governments. the WHO has its flaws, but those flaws are far fewer than those of governments - our's or anyone else's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rolta Posted November 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Im just hoping it remains that way that's all im saying this is their role and it should remain that way You could apply this kind of thinking to anything. "I'm just hoping Dolphins remain in the sea and don't take over humanity." Isn't it odd to come up with a scenario that has no grounding in actual reality, then express concern about it coming true. That's what these comments sound like to me. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Haven't demonised them at all. Strong language used there You’ve DEMonised them Sorry, ill go back to sleep. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Woudlnt u prefer our own country to have control of our own healthcare?? I'd rather my Nan's dead dog was in charge of our healthcare than the current UK government. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_75 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Back to that Doctor Campbell chap. I watched ten mins of his Ivermectin video and turned it off. Tries to be clever with his reasoning but still comes across as an arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Rolta said: You could apply this kind of thinking to anything. "I'm just hoping Dolphins remain in the sea and don't take over humanity." Isn't it odd to come up with a scenario that has no grounding in actual reality, then express concern about it coming true. That's what these comments sound like to me. Not odd at all. Its a discussion thread some people agree others dont agree thats a forum for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 18, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, stuart_75 said: Back to that Doctor Campbell chap. I watched ten mins of his Ivermectin video and turned it off. Tries to be clever with his reasoning but still comes across as an arse. In the early days he was on the ball with COVID reporting, feeding back numbers, symptoms, ways to combat transmission etc, even before it was really that big of a deal in the mainstream media. Unfortunately right as the vaccines came in and his... relevance... declined he went down the rabbit hole of crankery. Misreading reports, making the wrong conclusions from data, etc... which pointed directly at the things the anti-vax movement agreed with. Which also will have boosted/sustained his viewership. Which becomes a self sustaining system, intentionally or not. Edited November 18, 2022 by Chindie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Not odd at all. Its a discussion thread some people agree others dont agree thats a forum for you I mean yeah but you were saying imaginary things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seal Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Wainy316 said: I'd rather my Nan's dead dog was in charge of our healthcare than the current UK government. I think one of the major glaring omissions in the education system (along with not teaching every kid how to grow their own food) is the absence of a module that teaches children how to maintain their own health. They might even dabble a little in nutrition, but nothing on like how to basically just be a healthy human being. Cuz if you can do the basics then you in the main fingers crossed won't really need anyone to be in charge of your health care. I am really sorry to hear about your Nan's dead dog. Edited November 18, 2022 by Seal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 20 hours ago, Rolta said: You could apply this kind of thinking to anything. "I'm just hoping Dolphins remain in the sea and don't take over humanity." Isn't it odd to come up with a scenario that has no grounding in actual reality, then express concern about it coming true. That's what these comments sound like to me. They're not to be trusted 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Got it for the 4th time and **** me am I suffering. Previous 2 times I got it just after a booster shot and it was pretty mild. Highly recommend getting a booster if you haven't had one for awhile. Wish I'd done so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Concerning reports coming out of China of mass spread and increasing death tallies. Went out on Saturday with my football team, 2 confirmed as covid and about 8 of us feeling very rough. This could just be normal flu but it doesn’t feel like normal flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chine Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 My youngest who is 12 had winter flu in November the same time I had covid for the third time , he was in bad shape for 3 weeks , my daughter currently has Strep A and been very poorly but hopefully now turned the corner , meanwhile I’ve been ill with some other virus flu head cold thing , ffs not been ill for years now it’s non stop ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Nicho said: Concerning reports coming out of China of mass spread and increasing death tallies. Went out on Saturday with my football team, 2 confirmed as covid and about 8 of us feeling very rough. This could just be normal flu but it doesn’t feel like normal flu. China has got rid of almost all the restrictions now. I guess about a quarter of my students in Guangdong are currently positive, but mostly with very mild symptoms. Restaurants and malls are quieter now than during lockdown because everyone is trying to avoid getting sick. A lot of people haven't had booster vaccines in a long time, and it is almost impossible to buy paracetamol etc at the moment, so it's going to be a rough few weeks here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 They are closing the covid vaccine clinics at my trust in next few weeks just seen on intranet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted December 21, 2022 Administrator Share Posted December 21, 2022 13 hours ago, Nicho said: This could just be normal flu but it doesn’t feel like normal flu. There is no such thing as normal flu. That's why the flu jab is different every year. Flu is a killer virus, luckily it's usually easily preventable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Our brother and sister in law were fully swept up into the covid anti-vax movement. Now they have a very poorly son (6), full of flu and has really been ill for a week already. They declined the flu vaccine which was being given out for free in school. It’s an absolute privilege to have access to this preventative medicine and also having it given out for free at a very convenient time. I feel sorry for this boy for his idiotic parents. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 21, 2022 Moderator Share Posted December 21, 2022 39 minutes ago, Genie said: Our brother and sister in law were fully swept up into the covid anti-vax movement. Now they have a very poorly son (6), full of flu and has really been ill for a week already. They declined the flu vaccine which was being given out for free in school. It’s an absolute privilege to have access to this preventative medicine and also having it given out for free at a very convenient time. I feel sorry for this boy for his idiotic parents. Its not even an injection these days either, just a nasal spray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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