Demitri_C Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, limpid said: There is no such thing as normal flu. That's why the flu jab is different every year. Flu is a killer virus, luckily it's usually easily preventable. I do wonder if flu is going down now as alot of people work from home. Yes you can still catch it but alot of people catch flu from other people like before WFH from the tube and person to person in the office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted December 21, 2022 Administrator Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: I do wonder if flu is going down now as alot of people work from home. Yes you can still catch it but alot of people catch flu from other people like before WFH from the tube and person to person in the office I saw some stats last week (can't source at the moment) which said more people had been hospitalised in the preceding week with flu than COVID. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 21, 2022 Moderator Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, limpid said: I saw some stats last week (can't source at the moment) which said more people had been hospitalised in the preceding week with flu than COVID. Yes, that has definitely been widely reported in the media. Though the real story is COVID up, Flu Up more Here's the official Govt FLu and COVID report for week 49 Quote Through Respiratory Datamart, influenza positivity increased to 20.2% in week 49; with highest positivity seen in the 5 to 14 years age group at 32.9%. SARS-CoV-2 positivity increased to 6.7% compared to 5.2% the previous week. Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) positivity decreased to 7.7% in week 49, with the positivity in those under 5 years decreasing to 20.0%. Adenovirus positivity remained low and stable at 2.9%. Rhinovirus positivity decreased to 9.1% overall. Parainfluenza positivity remained low and stable at 1.4%. Human metapneumovirus (hMPV) positivity increased from 3.5% in week 48 to 4.9% in week 49. The overall number of reported acute respiratory infection (ARI) incidents increased compared with the previous week, with the highest number of incidents continuing to be in care homes (125 with COVID-19 detected). The number of influenza confirmed outbreaks in care homes increased to 18. Through NHS 111, calls for cold/flu and for cough continued to increase nationally. Through primary care surveillance, the influenza-like-illness consultations indicator increased and is now above the baseline threshold for the first time this season. The lower respiratory tract infection and COVID-19 indicators also increased. Overall, COVID-19 hospitalisations increased in week 49, whilst ICU-HDU admissions remained stable. Hospitalisations were highest in the 85 years and over age group. Influenza hospital admissions increased and are above COVID-19 hospital admissions for the first time. Influenza admissions were highest in those aged 85 years and over and those aged under 5 years. Influenza ICU admissions increased and remained within medium intensity range. The RSV hospitalisation rate decreased overall, driven by decreases in those under 5 years. Emergency department attendances for COVID-19-like illnesses remained fairly stable while acute respiratory infections and influenza-like-illness continued to increase. ED attendances for acute bronchiolitis started to decrease nationally, driven by decreases in those under 1 year and those aged 1 to 4 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, limpid said: I saw some stats last week (can't source at the moment) which said more people had been hospitalised in the preceding week with flu than COVID. I saw this too. They also mentioned flu is tougher because our immune systems have weakened due to us not socialising for time when Covid was around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted December 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, foreveryoung said: due to us not socialising for time when Covid was around It's still around. It might not be killing as many but it's still out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, trekka said: It's still around. It might not be killing as many but it's still out there. It seems to have evolved in a fairly predictable way. The early strains were relatively lethal, but the vaccines went a long way towards keeping a lid on it. Given that killing its hosts is evolutionarily counterproductive, the milder mutations inevitably became more dominant. But most of us can cope with them OK. Still a risk to vunerable people, but so is flu. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 hours ago, limpid said: I saw some stats last week (can't source at the moment) which said more people had been hospitalised in the preceding week with flu than COVID. I heard that on the radio the other day too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 4 hours ago, foreveryoung said: I saw this too. They also mentioned flu is tougher because our immune systems have weakened due to us not socialising for time when Covid was around. I dont think thats true to be honest mate. If your immune system is strong enough it will fight infections. I mean i just went tesco and it was like social event. So busy if your not getting ill there then you should be ok! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Bloomberg are reporting that China might be having 1 mil new cases a day and that 5000 people a day are dying from it there. It's from a report made by a firm called Airfinity. If that's even remotely close to the truth it would be grim a f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, sne said: Bloomberg are reporting that China might be having 1 mil new cases a day and that 5000 people a day are dying from it there. It's from a report made by a firm called Airfinity. If that's even remotely close to the truth it would be grim a f That isn't how it looks from the inside. There are lots and lots of cases for sure, but I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of high numbers of people getting seriously ill. If course, China isn't always the most forthcoming with information 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 China’s population is mind bogglingly enormous so even big sounding numbers are not so big in perspective. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, LondonLax said: China’s population is mind bogglingly enormous so even big sounding numbers are not so big in perspective. We topped out about 1800 or 2000 deaths a day didn’t we? Their population is about 20x higher than ours so equivalent would be 36,000 - 40,000 deaths per day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Having inflicted covid upon the world through poor lab standards and work practices china will finally pay a price for it. Of course the communist party won't really care a jot and the propaganda machine will probably blame westerners. I find it amazing just how little the rest of the world seems to care that china is at fault for covid and the millions of deaths. Shows you how scared countries are of pissing them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Isn't the problem that their vaccine is really not very good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 46 minutes ago, Mr_Dogg said: Isn't the problem that their vaccine is really not very good? Last month it was reported that: Quote 65.8% of people over age 80 had completed the primary series of Covid vaccination, an official told reporters. Still, just about 40% of that group had received a booster shot as of Nov. 11, according to prior disclosures. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/29/china-says-covid-vaccination-rates-for-seniors-has-climbed-over-the-last-two-weeks.html Mix all those points together and it's not a huge surprise that they could be impacted negatively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted December 22, 2022 Administrator Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 hours ago, villa89 said: Having inflicted covid upon the world through poor lab standards and work practices china will finally pay a price for it. Of course the communist party won't really care a jot and the propaganda machine will probably blame westerners. I find it amazing just how little the rest of the world seems to care that china is at fault for covid and the millions of deaths. Shows you how scared countries are of pissing them off. Probably because the next one could start anywhere in the world. Factory farming is more likely to cause these species jumps than almost anything else. In fact it would be hard to design a better way to encourage it to happen. China was a fault for slow and incomplete reporting, not much else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I’ve just been in hospital for 4 days with the flu and a chest infection. The wards were all rammed with people who had the flu. Seems to be hitting hard this year. A and E couldn’t cope. Person in the bed next to me was in an ambulance for 12 hours waiting for a bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 hours ago, limpid said: Factory farming is more likely to cause these species jumps than almost anything else. Nah, diabolical laboratory standards in a country known for such things is the most likely outbreak of the next pandemic same as this one. It's not a conspiracy theory that the virus leaked from the Wuhan coronavirus research laboratory. Even the largely useless WHO condemned the standard research practices there prior to the pandemic. The wet market origin story is either a cover or just where the lab workers went for assorted animal meat soup for lunch and spread their infection around. The world won't learn and whether it's china or some other nation dabbling with things that aren't safe that's the most likely cause of the next one IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted December 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: I’ve just been in hospital for 4 days with the flu and a chest infection. The wards were all rammed with people who had the flu. Seems to be hitting hard this year. A and E couldn’t cope. Person in the bed next to me was in an ambulance for 12 hours waiting for a bed. Hope you're better now bud. My Dad was in an ambulance for 12 hours before his admission too and that was before the strikes started. His ward is locked down now with flu. It nearly took him yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, sidcow said: Hope you're better now bud. My Dad was in an ambulance for 12 hours before his admission too and that was before the strikes started. His ward is locked down now with flu. It nearly took him yesterday. Thanks. Hope your dad pulls through 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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