Generic Virus Thread

[NurembergVillan]

 

 

[KenjiOgiwara]

9 hours ago, jackbauer24 said:

I have never had any vaccines either. Just over 40...

And, not that there is a correlation, but I also haven't ever been seriously ill. My parents, in my youth, both worked in hospital. My mum was a trained dietician (I'm contractually obliged to note here the difference between dietician and nutrionist or my mother disowns me!).

Reminds me of that bald Irish comedian who compared being an dietician to being a dentist and a nutrionist to being a toothieologist. Made me laugh.

I throw zero judgement now, but I think it's important to value vaccines as possibly the greatest medical development the last 120 years. The strides that's been taken has been immense. It completely depends on the vaccine in question, but generally bloody take them.

I know some people have had a life healthy life without them, but ultimately it's a team game, so not taking them could potentially hurt others.

Both my in-laws and my parents got the moderna loving yesterday and it's a lovely thing.

Edited April 16, 2021 by KenjiOgiwara

[Genie]

People that haven’t taken them are benefiting from the the fact the vast majority have taken them.

It’ll be the same with Covid-19 vaccines. The anti-vaxxers will be enjoying a nice cold pint in a safe pub because all those around them took the vaccine, dramatically reducing the spread and allowing these establishments to open.

If the percent of people deciding that they didn’t want it was bigger then we’d all be screwed.

[It's Your Round]

30 minutes ago, Genie said:

People that haven’t taken them are benefiting from the the fact the vast majority have taken them.

It’ll be the same with Covid-19 vaccines. The anti-vaxxers will be enjoying a nice cold pint in a safe pub because all those around them took the vaccine, dramatically reducing the spread and allowing these establishments to open.

If the percent of people deciding that they didn’t want it was bigger then we’d all be screwed.

Nail on the head. 
 

And this then feeds into their ‘evidence’ that they’re perfectly healthy without the vaccine, without them realising why that is.

[Dante_Lockhart]

12 hours ago, Ingram85 said:

@Dante_Lockhart nothing I will say is going to change your mind so I won’t bother. I just hope you stay lucky and yourself, others around you and anyone you may come into contact with stay safe, lucky and virus free. If (unfortunately) you’re going this route then please be careful bud not only for yourself but for everyone else too. I don’t want the vaccine, no one does but I’d hate to be asymptomatic and inadvertently make someone unwell or worse .

I will dude and I am. I'm not being stupid, I'm socially distancing, I'm wearing my mask, I'm sticking to the guidelines, and I have been taking the lateral flow tests for work at intervals. Will obviously go for a proper test if I generate a big 3 symptom. I'm not one of these ones who are rallying and 'sticking it to the man'.

[sidcow]

https://www.ft.com/content/5f7a63a8-7cfb-4c2f-9719-980d19ff080f

CureVac hopes to win regulatory approval for its Covid vaccine by June

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German biotech CureVac has said it is hoping to win regulatory approval for its Covid-19 vaccine in May or June and will aim to produce up to 300m doses this year and 1bn in 2022.

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Like Moderna and the BioNTech Pfizer partnership, CureVac’s jab uses mRNA technology but, while its rivals have raced ahead having won emergency regulatory approval, the Tübingen-based company has fallen almost six months behind schedule.

However, the recent pauses in the Oxford/AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccine programmes because of rare blood clotting side effects could benefit CureVac. Europe appears to be going all-in on mRNA vaccines, announcing negotiations this week for up to 1.8bn doses of the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine for 2022-2023.

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CureVac’s product could have several advantages over rivals. It can be refrigerated for three months and does not require the sub-zero storage needed for other mRNA vaccines. It also requires the smallest amount of active ingredient of any of the mRNA vaccines: 12 micrograms per dose.

In February the UK Government did a big deal with this company for new variant doses in conjunction with British company GSK who are a big vaccine manufacturer. 

In the press releases CureVac stated that the UK expertise in identifying and analysing new strains was a big driver for them.

I smell an AstraZeneca type deal here where the UK gets first dibs on the new strain doses. 

Edited April 16, 2021 by sidcow

[Demitri_C]

2 hours ago, Genie said:

People that haven’t taken them are benefiting from the the fact the vast majority have taken them.

It’ll be the same with Covid-19 vaccines. The anti-vaxxers will be enjoying a nice cold pint in a safe pub because all those around them took the vaccine, dramatically reducing the spread and allowing these establishments to open.

If the percent of people deciding that they didn’t want it was bigger then we’d all be screwed.

In a strange way it can help because if people who have been vaccinated get ill from someone that hasnt had it, shows the vaccine doesnt work

If it does work then the only ones at risk at the ones who are not taking it

[chrisp65]

Legal scenario for you guys that enjoy a quiz:

 

During lockdown, The Senedd voted to ban drinking and socialising indoors, all pubs and restaurants were closed.

Three tory MS and a Labour MS then met up in the Senedd and ordered drinks. This was illegal.

Do you:

A - consider prosecuting the Senedd as it occurred on their premises

B -  consider prosecuting the hospitality franchise

C - consider prosecuting the hospitality manager 

D - consider prosecuting the politicians that ordered drinks having voted on the banning of drinking indoors

E - consider prosecuting the waitress that delivered the tray of drinks

F - decide the bad publicity was enough for all involved and decide lessons have been learnt

 

Spoiler

That’s right!   E

 

 

[Seat68]

Bullshit Mr Han Man. That’s ridiculous. 

[Designer1]

42 minutes ago, Seat68 said:

Bullshit Mr Han Man. That’s ridiculous. 

Have a like for Jim Kelly quote.

[bickster]

55 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

Legal scenario for you guys that enjoy a quiz:

 

During lockdown, The Senedd voted to ban drinking and socialising indoors, all pubs and restaurants were closed.

Three tory MS and a Labour MS then met up in the Senedd and ordered drinks. This was illegal.

Do you:

A - consider prosecuting the Senedd as it occurred on their premises

B -  consider prosecuting the hospitality franchise

C - consider prosecuting the hospitality manager 

D - consider prosecuting the politicians that ordered drinks having voted on the banning of drinking indoors

E - consider prosecuting the waitress that delivered the tray of drinks

F - decide the bad publicity was enough for all involved and decide lessons have been learnt

 

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That’s right!   E

 

 

The real correct answer isn't there, that is prosecute the liquor licence holder for selling the alcohol and that is about it. The MS' are at work so haven't breached regulations

[sidcow]

Canada the latest country to now enter a crisis, just overtaken USA for cases per head.  Again driven by the Kent Variant. 

You can't help but wonder much much better our figures would have been if we'd have managed to get to this level of vaccination without having had the Kent variant. 

Obviously despite risking being completely overwhelmed they've still restricted AstraZeneca to over 55s only

Edited April 17, 2021 by sidcow

[theboyangel]

Got my first jab booked in for next weekend  

MrsTBA had her first yesterday and other than a little bit of feeling hot/cold overnight has been fine since. 
 

 

[a m ole]

I read someone pointing out that more people died in the FedEx shooting than have from the J&J vaccine, yet the ‘we need guns for protection’ and anti-vaccine crowd are likely close to a perfect circle on a Venn diagram.

[sidcow]

2 hours ago, a m ole said:

I read someone pointing out that more people died in the FedEx shooting than have from the J&J vaccine, yet the ‘we need guns for protection’ and anti-vaccine crowd are likely close to a perfect circle on a Venn diagram.

I had that exact thought yesterday. 

There are a billion everyday things more likely to kill you than a vaccine but they do love a good vaccine panic. 

[jimmygreaves]

On 15/04/2021 at 23:04, Jareth said:

Not attacking. I think 'freedom of choice' hits the nail on the head as to why folks see it this way. There is so much choice these days and so much personal freedom that I suppose we are used to it and will apply that standard to everything in life - but with a vaccine in a pandemic it becomes not only about the self but also about the people you live amongst, I mean that is the nature of vaccination, that you need to vaccinate enough people to prevent them from catching it themselves - but also so those that cannot be vaccinated are also protected. I know two people who cannot be vaccinated and who have had to shield, one a mum, one a 7 year old, it has made their lives very difficult  - nonetheless they all need others to have a vaccine if they are to rejoin the world anytime soon - months after everyone else has had their freedoms restored. So I think my point is, freedom of choice is good - but moments like this are possibly once in our lifetimes and the usual reality and rules do not apply. 

See, I'm not quite sure it's a simple freedom of choice issue. You can freely choose to drive your car around like a bellend and ignore traffic laws and break speed limits. In doing so you would clearly be putting others health and well-being at risk. If you get caught doing this you would be prosecuted.

I understand you can't prosecute people for not getting vaccinated under normal circumstances but we're in a pandemic that's resulted in millions of deaths. Choosing not to get vaccinated based on spurious "science" or personal beliefs right now could reasonably be considered reckless behaviour..... and it could follow that being prosecuted for it would also be reasonable.

(tin hat on!!)

[sidcow]

1 hour ago, jimmygreaves said:

(tin hat on!!)

[blandy]

1 hour ago, jimmygreaves said:

Choosing not to get vaccinated based on spurious "science" or personal beliefs right now could reasonably be considered reckless behaviour..... and it could follow that being prosecuted for it would also be reasonable.

I'll be nice. State mandatory vaccination is monstrously authoritarian. The state determining what goes into your body is a step too far.

The relatively low number of people who do not wish to be vaccinated is low and poses no significant risk either to themselves or anyone else. Even with no vaccination, there's a low percentage chance of seriously being ill or dying from Covidfungus.

[Ingram85]

I think comparing those who have died from clotting and those dying from a mass shooting is flawed considering the victims of the shooting had no choice in the matter yet those who died from blood clots made what they thought was an informed decision to be injected. 

[sidcow]

16 minutes ago, Ingram85 said:

I think comparing those who have died from clotting and those dying from a mass shooting is flawed considering the victims of the shooting had no choice in the matter yet those who died from blood clots made what they thought was an informed decision to be injected. 

It's more that the government happily sell the guns that kill them, no bother, yet ban the vaccines that kill an insignificant number of people as being deemed too dangerous.