Kiwivillan Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mazrim said: Where are we regarding FFP? That naughty acronym some claim stops us buying players but nobody knows the real numbers. Nobody who is going to tell anyway. I'm sure Purslow knows. I assume it's tight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Made In Aston said: Wrote 'dancing in the moonlight' That was actually a cover, they didnt write it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighavfc Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 5 hours ago, LakotaDakota said: The best episode!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 11 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Amazing how sure people are that a 16 year old boy is ready for first team action despite (almost certainly) never having seen him play. Pretty sure if he's good enough, he'd be involved. I'd wager we won't see him in a first team game for a couple of years Seems he's already quite advanced given Barca picked him up so could get a run out in one of our last games if we're already safe from relegation. Think he'll get sub games next season. My only issue is on the main forum heralding this as a major signing when really it's the same long term situation as say when we picked up Oscar Borg and he couldn't break through despite having a promising reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) Well this time next week it will all be over as the window slams shut sports fans! Edited January 24, 2020 by Kingman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, useless said: Barry will make his debut either this season or next... Bellingham already playing for small heath, and if he goes to United make no mistake about it he will be in their first team squad as well and will make his debut, Elliot has already played for LIverpool, Karamoko Dembélé has already played for Celtic, and Barry is rated as on the same level as these players, if he'd have stayed at Albion probably would have made his first team debut for them by now, was playing for Barcelona's U19 team and was their youngest player in that team by some distant, or so I've read. What do you actually think of Bellingham's long term potential? I've seen a bit of him this season, he's big and gangly and can get into the box and score the odd goal but not sure on his passing range just yet. Seems Man. United eyeing him up as long term Pogba style replacement. Was having a debate with a mate the other day about the impact SHA best youth products have had in prem in last 5 years. Demerai Gray still can't break into the Leicester team despite being there since January 2016 and now likes of Harvey Barnes have gone ahead of him in the pecking order, Butland got relegated despite looking good initally. Main one we disagreed on was Nathan Redmond. Mate think he's "brilliant" despite his 1 England cap and incredibly inconsistant seasons in all Norwich and Southampton's relegation battles. At the moment he's playing well but Southampton are in fantastic form so all players are looking good compared to how they were doing in October. So reality is much hyped SHA young players don't really go on to have better careers at the top level than the ones we produce, see if Bellingham steps up a bit more. Izzy Brown also another local youth product. West Brom lost him at 16 just like Louie Barry yet he's in an endless cycle of season long loans now and next to no chance of breaking through at Chelsea, been there since 2013 and 23 now. Edited January 24, 2020 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Kingman said: Well this time next week it will all be over as the window slams shut sports fans! Thank god for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaHatesMe Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 35 minutes ago, Kingman said: Well this time next week it will all be over as the window slams shut sports fans! Just hope we don’t get our fingers caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IrishVillain Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 23/01/2020 at 15:24, screwdriver said: This is an absolute disgrace. A flukey last min win over watford via a deflection and all the transfer news has gone quiet! like everything is rosey.....well its NOT! We still need 3 more strikers. Only calibre of Beneteke, Sturridge and Piatek. People getting excited about semmater? like who? How can anyone say this guy deserves to wear the sacred Villa shirt in the premier league, more than scott hogan and Jimmy Kodjia? you really think he can move to birmingham and hit the ground running? dreamworld!.... This is wesley MK2 crap touch, bad decisions, breathing out of his ring after 15, one solid tackle and he's rolling around screaming.... for the next 3 months whilst he "gets up to speed" the belgium boys are laughing all the way to the bank having offloaded junk to us time and time again. I refuse to even acknowledge him unless he proves himself by scoring a hatrick on his debut. minimum. I just can't understand the appeal of shopping in belgium, I bet deano gives it the big one about his no brand chinese phone that no ones heard of either! "check out the goophone lads" he must be taking a big brown envelope stuffed with francs from behind the radiator in the gents of the chorley services to keep scouting there, then moan about a process that has been in football since year dot. It's called completing a transfer. I didn't get this guy at first, but the more I see the more I feel we're in the presence of greatness. He's like he's the Jackson Pollock of sh*tposting. Masterful stuff 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, VillaChris said: Seems he's already quite advanced given Barca picked him up Whaaa. It's not as if Barca only pick up 11 first team ready players for their actual youth teams. Sometimes I wonder about logic in this country. I'm not sure why else I'd think anything alternative. I believe in the UK. Edited January 25, 2020 by Rolta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) I **** hate FFP. Without it our mega rich owners would more than likely put us in a position where we become a self sustaining PL club that performs really well consistently. Because of FFP we are forced to take a lot of punts on players from abroad, some of which will pay off, but ultimately we could get relegated and yo-yo between the leagues, putting us in a shitter position financially. I get why they do it. But there's a difference in protecting a club from bankrupting itself and stopping a club from building with strategic investment from willing affluent owners. Edited January 25, 2020 by jacketspuds Drunken rant grammar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: I **** hate FFP. Without it our mega rich owners would more than likely put us in a position where we become a self sustaining PL club that performs really well consistently. Because of FFP we are forced to take a lot of punts on players from abroad, some of which will pay off, but ultimately we could get relegated and yo-yo between the leagues, putting us in a shitter position financially. I get why they do it. But there's a difference in protecting a club from bankrupting itself and stopping a club from building with strategic investment from willing affluent owners. Well yeah there's a difference, but its not like they can know beforehand whether such investment is actually good and strategic or whether it will bankrupt the club in the future. By limiting the spending, they lower the possibility that a club spends too much that it completely bankrupts itself at the cost of stifling the ability for a club to grow. Edited January 25, 2020 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elton Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, VillaChris said: My only issue is on the main forum heralding this as a major signing when really it's the same long term situation as say when we picked up Oscar Borg and he couldn't break through despite having a promising reputation. Wasn’t Oscar Borg a left back released from West Ham? I don’t think this is the same as signing a player who is considered perhaps the best current young English prospect that Barca, PSG, Man U, Liverpool etc were courting, who was scoring 2 a game for England’s youth team in an international tournament. Who knows how he will develop but I think it’s ok to be optimistic about this lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: Well yeah there's a difference, but its not like they can know beforehand whether such investment is actually good and strategic or whether it will bankrupt the club in the future. By limiting the spending, they lower the possibility that a club spends too much that it completely bankrupts itself at the cost of stifling the ability for a club to grow. I thought that was the whole point of the "Fit and Proper Person" test, or does that not apply in the PL? Not that it seems to make much of a difference lower down the leagues where it's needed more than ever but doing shite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said: Well yeah there's a difference, but its not like they can know beforehand whether such investment is actually good and strategic or whether it will bankrupt the club in the future. By limiting the spending, they lower the possibility that a club spends too much that it completely bankrupts itself at the cost of stifling the ability for a club to grow. For me, rather than restrict the ability of a club to compete with the clubs who got there before the FFP nightmare came about, it would be better to redesign the whole fit & proper test and build in some new regulations to make it impossible for an owner to invest unless the entire costing is set aside for the entirety of a players contract. Thus removing the "risk" to a club running into future issues. This could surely be done in a way that would mean any investment had to be set aside / paid in advance to some governing body or whatever so that if the owner left the club, sold up or ran into financial difficulty of any kind due to relegation or a change in the marketplace, the money would still be there to cover the entire cost of that player including any loss on transfer fee, wages for the entire contract and future relegation costs or whatever. This could replace the fit & proper test even as basically the owner would be unable to do anything unless it was paid in advance in full and the money held accordingly so it would not be possible for that owner to renege on the arrangement. It could be optional too so a club could either choose to remain in the current system or if they decided they wanted to go for it they could apply for an extra "financial ability check" where they would need to commit to those rules. State how much they were prepared to invest for the next say 3 years (to fall in line with current FFP regs) and pay that money upfront to the governing body who could then ensure everything was safe. Obviously i'm no accountant but surely something like that could be worked out? It would certainly be better than the current ridiculous state of affairs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 7 hours ago, leighavfc said: The best episode!!! You got a lot of good tv and comedy, but that stuff was cringeworthy. How anyone except a child can find that funny is beyond me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thunderball Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 6 hours ago, jacketspuds said: I **** hate FFP. Without it our mega rich owners would more than likely put us in a position where we become a self sustaining PL club that performs really well consistently. Because of FFP we are forced to take a lot of punts on players from abroad, some of which will pay off, but ultimately we could get relegated and yo-yo between the leagues, putting us in a shitter position financially. I get why they do it. But there's a difference in protecting a club from bankrupting itself and stopping a club from building with strategic investment from willing affluent owners. FFP hasn’t stopped clubs going bust, but it’s slamming the door shut after the horse has bolted. The top 4/5 have colossal earning power because they are at the top table: champions league/Europe, all the TV money, international fan base due to exposure, bigger squads, all the decent kids and reserves who they loan out and then sell. let alone Villa, how will Burnley’s etc ever, ever make it now? I think the Champions League is what ruined domestic football in Europe. It has slowly established a wealth elite that is difficult to break. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 7 hours ago, jacketspuds said: I **** hate FFP. Without it our mega rich owners would more than likely put us in a position where we become a self sustaining PL club that performs really well consistently. Because of FFP we are forced to take a lot of punts on players from abroad, some of which will pay off, but ultimately we could get relegated and yo-yo between the leagues, putting us in a shitter position financially. I get why they do it. But there's a difference in protecting a club from bankrupting itself and stopping a club from building with strategic investment from willing affluent owners. It's not there to protect clubs against bankruptcy though I think. Its there to stop other clubs overtaking the darling clubs of English football (Liverpool, Man Utd, Aresenal etc) so it doesnt disrupt the foreign interest in the premier league with clubs people have never heard of before dominating. They could easily set up a system where owners pay for the players outside of the clubs finances, for example, transfer fee and full wages over the length of the contract set aside into an account where the Premier League manages payment of players and their contracts with the owners losing that money by having to pay the full amount up front. The club is protected and the owners can still splash the cash if they want. Plus this way only serious financially rich owners can come to the party by having to pay up front and not in instalments to make sure the contract is honoured for all players bought this way with the club not held responsible. Theres no other business in the world where the owners are not allowed to invest to grow their company. Can you imagine a newsagent not being allowed to install new double glazing windows until their accounts show they can afford it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachoFantastico Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 I agree that the current financial situation in football is broken. You only have to see how lower clubs struggle just to survive, I hate seeing clubs with passionate fans and a lengthy history go under. The current system benefits those that are at the top financially in football and it'll probably stay like that for decades unless things change. Don't get me wrong, I get why it was introduced but I can't see how there aren't better alternatives worth trying. It's not like some of the top clubs in the world are financially stable anyway, I remember reading a while back that Barcelona are heavily in debt. At least we still have Football Manager to dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Victor Wanyama linked in the gossip column for the Sun 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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