Mazrim Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Ask David Silva how hench a footballer has to be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I don't think anyone is suggesting that he's going to come in and become a regular in the first team squad or anything like that, just given how highly rated he is he might get some minutes off the bench just to give him some experience and help with his development, think that will only happen this season if we know our fate before the last game of the season, maybe we will give a few more of our youngsters a chance in that scenario as well. For the most part he will be involved with the U23s, which is already an higher level than you'd expect a sixteen year old to be playing at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, AntrimBlack said: Don't you think that at £3m he should be classed as a signing, notwithstanding his age. Within the accounts then yes as it’s a financial outlay on a player. But in reality no. On his announcement, Smith was not there the academy director was. He didn’t have a video confirmation signing etc. He’s signed for the acadeny as numerous people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted January 24, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mazrim said: Ask David Silva how hench a footballer has to be. David Silva is one of the best players ever to play in this country. And even he didn't break through at Valencia until he was 20. One player making it isn't proof that anyone can. If Barry is good enough, he'll play. At 16 I think it's early to be expecting him to be thrown into the first team already. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) If physical strength was the be all end all, all teams would fill their squads with bodybuilders. I used Silva as an obvious example. He's far from the only one. Put it this way. Rank the following qualities in order of importance in a striker. Pace, awareness, skill, finishing, tenacity., strength. If strength isn't one of the bottom two, you're wrong. Just for clarity, I'm not asking for him to be thrown in. Edited January 24, 2020 by Mazrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Hepburn-Murphy made his debut at the age of Sixteen, Grealish played a full season for Notts County at the age seventeen, think he might have been sixteen at the start of that season, both are of those were very slight, you don't have to be fully developed physically to make your debut, what you have to be care of is playing players that young too much as that can have it's affects, but giving them game time here and there if they're good enough (stating the obvious) can have it's benefits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mazrim said: If physical strength was the be all end all, all teams would fill their squads with bodybuilders. I used Silva as an obvious example. He's far from the only one. Put it this way. Rank the following qualities in order of importance in a striker. Pace, awareness, skill, finishing, tenacity., strength. If strength isn't one of the bottom two, you're wrong. Just for clarity, I'm not asking for him to be thrown in. Far too simplistic and really depends on the system you're playing. Chris Wood has 10 goals for Burnley and is absolutely pivotal to the way they play - could you please rank his attributes based on what you've stated? If strength is in his bottom two, you're wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, useless said: Hepburn-Murphy made his debut at the age of Sixteen, Grealish played a full season for Notts County at the age seventeen, think he might have been sixteen at the start of that season, both are of those were very slight, you don't have to be fully developed physically to make your debut, what you have to be care of is playing players that young too much as that can have it's affects, but giving them game time here and there if they're good enough (stating the obvious) can have it's benefits. RHM made his debut but he was way too slight to make a difference—it seemed to be the key thing that held him back. @Mazrim You can be small and strong. He'd be up against Premier League defenders. I think it's important so that he's not bullied off the ball. Jack played League 1 at 17, not Premier League. He is also a different type of player by all accounts of Barry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Messi isn't big. Lewandowski is big. Size isn't everything (we-hey) so can we please agree that IF he is good enough, he will play with the first team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, useless said: Hepburn-Murphy made his debut at the age of Sixteen, Grealish played a full season for Notts County at the age seventeen, think he might have been sixteen at the start of that season, both are of those were very slight, you don't have to be fully developed physically to make your debut, what you have to be care of is playing players that young too much as that can have it's affects, but giving them game time here and there if they're good enough (stating the obvious) can have it's benefits. Hepburn-Murphy made his debut so young because Sherwood wanted to take the Mickey, I wouldn't say it's particularly aided his development as it probably added more expectation on him than he would otherwise of got. Grealish, although slight, plays in a different position and and has the right mentality to deal with cloggers trying to kick him in the air, very few players have that mentality, even experienced ones. I think for a forward who will at times have his back to goal, and who old pro center backs would definitely want a piece of, needs to have the right mentality and/or physical attributes before you should throw them in. Like Rooney did for example. I don't know about young Barry's mentality but he doesn't look strong enough just yet from the pictures I've seen. I'd imagine we might see glimpses of him next season, but it's difficult to predict how quickly any player will develop at such a young age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Ashley Young and Fabian Delph have the smallest legs in football and they're fully developed "men". It all depends on your play style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alreadyexists Posted January 24, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lord Willard said: Ashley Young and Fabian Delph have the smallest legs in football and they're fully developed "men". It all depends on your play style. Don’t forget Tommy Elphick, he’s only 3ft 6” 3 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted January 24, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Lord Willard said: Ashley Young and Fabian Delph have the smallest legs in football and they're fully developed "men". It all depends on your play style. Why the quotes around the word "men", do you know something we don't? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, romavillan said: Why the quotes around the word "men", do you know something we don't? Birkir Bjanarson was a "man's man". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted January 24, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 24, 2020 https://www.milanlive.it/2020/01/23/milan-futuro-piatek-paqueta-ultimissime/ Basically says there that Piatek has decided to stay at Milan till the summer at least, he wants to fight for a place etc. and will talk to the club again in June about his future. There was another article yesterday about him wanting champions league football at his next club too. That could be the end of that one then. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, romavillan said: Why the quotes around the word "men", do you know something we don't? We'll Delph could be classed as a snake rather than a man... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 51 minutes ago, Rolta said: RHM made his debut but he was way too slight to make a difference—it seemed to be the key thing that held him back. @Mazrim You can be small and strong. He'd be up against Premier League defenders. I think it's important so that he's not bullied off the ball. Jack played League 1 at 17, not Premier League. He is also a different type of player by all accounts of Barry. Jack also had to bulk up to be more effective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, romavillan said: https://www.milanlive.it/2020/01/23/milan-futuro-piatek-paqueta-ultimissime/ Basically says there that Piatek has decided to stay at Milan till the summer at least, he wants to fight for a place etc. and will talk to the club again in June about his future. There was another article yesterday about him wanting champions league football at his next club too. That could be the end of that one then. Pretty sure we'd reached the 'end of that one' a while back..........I don't think it ever actually started to warrant an ending in fact. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, bobzy said: Far too simplistic and really depends on the system you're playing. Chris Wood has 10 goals for Burnley and is absolutely pivotal to the way they play - could you please rank his attributes based on what you've stated? If strength is in his bottom two, you're wrong. My argument is exactly that. Too simple. You can't say strength is essential. It might be an important part of Chris Woods game, and I would argue his awareness, tenacity and finishing has had more to do with his 10 goals than strength. So I still think if you're prioritising a striker primarily by strength, you're wrong. It's old thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaHatesMe Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Philosopher said: But Rooney was fully developed physically already at that age He was nearly bald already! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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