messi11 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Welcome back to Villa next year old Frederic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I really do not understand why the club has acted the way it has with Fred. I trust them obviously and he has not been treated badly, but it is curious. Odd and a big waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I think people need to remember that he was bought at a time when by far the most likely outcome was us remaining in the Championship, and that he was bought explicitly as someone who would be able to 'do a job' either in the Championship or a PL relegation battle. It's not a surprise - and not his *fault* either - that that's pretty much his level, but I don't get why people are so puzzled that a side that finished mid-table in the PL last season and is trying to be upwardly-mobile would not feel the need of the guy's services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I think people need to remember that he was bought at a time when by far the most likely outcome was us remaining in the Championship, and that he was bought explicitly as someone who would be able to 'do a job' either in the Championship or a PL relegation battle. It's not a surprise - and not his *fault* either - that that's pretty much his level, but I don't get why people are so puzzled that a side that finished mid-table in the PL last season and is trying to be upwardly-mobile would not feel the need of the guy's services. Ability wise you're right. However, an injury to Cash and we're not exactly in a good spot. I know that Young can cover there but he can't cover everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted September 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: I really do not understand why the club has acted the way it has with Fred. I trust them obviously and he has not been treated badly, but it is curious. Odd and a big waste of money. he cost less than 3m i believe. not really a big waste of money all signs are pointing to him pissing off the manager in some way. he looks delighted to be back at strasbourg, it seems like he was really unhappy here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I think people need to remember that he was bought at a time when by far the most likely outcome was us remaining in the Championship, and that he was bought explicitly as someone who would be able to 'do a job' either in the Championship or a PL relegation battle. It's not a surprise - and not his *fault* either - that that's pretty much his level, but I don't get why people are so puzzled that a side that finished mid-table in the PL last season and is trying to be upwardly-mobile would not feel the need of the guy's services. Ok. And if Cash is injured/suspended/unwell/whatever, his backup is.................................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, sparrow1988 said: Ability wise you're right. However, an injury to Cash and we're not exactly in a good spot. I know that Young can cover there but he can't cover everywhere. Yeah, we're light on specialists in the position, but I think the reality is that Smith would have always started first Konsa and then Tuanzebe at right back instead of Guilbert, so in practice he was more like a 3rd or 4th choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: Ability wise you're right. However, an injury to Cash and we're not exactly in a good spot. I know that Young can cover there but he can't cover everywhere. I'd have kept Guilbert, personally, as I think he's looked alright. He's clearly not in the managers' plans for whatever reason, though, and my gut feeling (as I've said before) is that Tuanzebe has been brought in as flexible cover (RB/CB/DM). I think the club will have been trying to get Guilbert out the door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, tomav84 said: he cost less than 3m i believe. not really a big waste of money all signs are pointing to him pissing off the manager in some way. he looks delighted to be back at strasbourg, it seems like he was really unhappy here He was a Steve Bruce signing. We signed him but he remained on loan at Caén for the season. By the time he arrived at Villa Park, Bruce had been sacked and Smith was manager, in which I don't think he ever rated Guillbert from the off anyway. Nothing more to it imo. Edited September 1, 2021 by AvfcRigo82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted September 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, AvfcRigo82 said: He was a Steve Bruce signing. We signed him but he remained on load at Caén for the season. By the time he arrived at Villa Park, Bruce had been sacked and Smith was manager, in which I don't think he ever rated Guillbert from the off anyway. Nothing more to it imo. incorrect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frédéric_Guilbert#Aston_Villa Quote On 31 January 2019, Guilbert signed for Aston Villa for an undisclosed fee, but would remain at Caen on loan until the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Yeah, he wasn't a Bruce signing, but he was a Smith-buying-for-another-season-in-the-Championship signing. We've since largely dismantled that team, though Smith does make it clear when he actually rates players who played in that league (eg Mings, McGinn, Tuanzebe). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 10 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I don't rate him. The manager doesn't rate him. He has somehow achieved cult status at Villa despite doing nothing except be a liability almost every time he is on the pitch. Regardless of that, this faux outrage at "the way he has been treated" is by far the most bizarre aspect of this whole saga. It's a shame we weren't able to flog him so people could get on with their lives rather than worrying about this painfully average millionaire footballer who our manager simply doesn't rate. I wish him all the best though, obviously. Honest. I rate him, Dean doesn't which is fair enough thats football its about opinions. The outrage is just people again looking for a dig at somebody, who is usually Dean Smith 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I think we bought him in the January window before we went up, and was always targeted as a championship level player. Smith doesn't rate him so the loan is the best move for all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Yeah, we're light on specialists in the position, but I think the reality is that Smith would have always started first Konsa and then Tuanzebe at right back instead of Guilbert, so in practice he was more like a 3rd or 4th choice. Maybe we can recall Kesler in January if needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 30 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said: Ok. And if Cash is injured/suspended/unwell/whatever, his backup is.................................. Young has played as many games in RB as he has LB. Konsa and Tuanzebe have played ~20% of their games at RB. So if Cash and Targett were injured we'd have a back 4 of Young, Mings, Konsa, Tuanzebe - seems fine to me that back 4. Kessler can be recalled in Jan if we need to, Guilbert too potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, AvfcRigo82 said: He was a Steve Bruce signing. We signed him but he remained on loan at Caén for the season. By the time he arrived at Villa Park, Bruce had been sacked and Smith was manager, in which I don't think he ever rated Guillbert from the off anyway. Nothing more to it imo. Huh? We signed him in Jan after Bruce's departure didn't we? Maybe you know more and Bruce had him lined up before he left but I'm pretty sure he was signed under Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 His whole time here is a mystery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, tomav84 said: incorrect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frédéric_Guilbert#Aston_Villa 42 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: Huh? We signed him in Jan after Bruce's departure didn't we? Maybe you know more and Bruce had him lined up before he left but I'm pretty sure he was signed under Smith. My mistake. I thought he was signed earlier than that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Has he been a bit of a knobby behind the scenes or something? Does he smoke in the toilets during half time? We've had a few examples of DS and co not liking players because of attitude problems: players mysteriously going missing despite being fit. When not on loan, Fred could be found in the same place that Kodj and Engels visited. Now Grealish is gone (whose off the field antics were largely ignored due to his on-pitch abilities), I expect we'll see an even stronger line with this sort of thing. I'll miss Fred's sliding tackles* and his bombing on. Good luck to him. *Only made because he was out of position in the first place 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 why do we seem incapable of getting money for any of our players, we give more loans than HSBC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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