Demitri_C Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 45 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: You kind of have a point. Permanents are better than loans. but then again using loans in the Championship is incredibly common. It allows you to get better players, even if it's only for a season. Players like Tammy Abraham wouldn't sign permanently for a Championship club. And I don't think we are in that big of a hole. We have Kodjia to fill the void in the short term and we have a month to get a new striker in to take Abraham's place. Championship clubs utilise the loan system a lot. All the teams that went up last season had loan players in their squads. Dean Smith will continue to use the loan system. Yes I do see your point but I'm looking at norwich and Leeds and they have not been heavily reliant on loans this year. Even if Tammy had 50 goals its no use if we can't have him for half the season. It can be done with smart planning and having a good scouting network. Also looking at farke he didn't do too well last year but stuck with him and they are seeing the benefits this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Yes I do see your point but I'm looking at norwich and Leeds and they have not been heavily reliant on loans this year. Even if Tammy had 50 goals its no use if we can't have him for half the season. It can be done with smart planning and having a good scouting network. Also looking at farke he didn't do too well last year but stuck with him and they are seeing the benefits this year. True but they still have loan players contributing. Norwich's second top scorer is a loan. Point is it's not unusual for a team in the Championship chasing promotion to use loans. You need to find the right balance and I do think we were over reliant last year. But we're not some strange anomaly using loans in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: True but they still have loan players contributing. Norwich's second top scorer is a loan. Point is it's not unusual for a team in the Championship chasing promotion to use loans. You need to find the right balance and I do think we were over reliant last year. But we're not some strange anomaly using loans in this league. I think this year has been the same as the last tbh. I sit think it might not be as bad come the summer as we have jedinak and whelan off the books and that will be over 50k a week saved on those two. Then no boalise, Tammy, el ghazi, tuanzebe and hause. We would have saved a fair bit on wages from these lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Correct. We need to stop seeing loans as the issue. They're sometimes the only way to get top players here. It also works both ways as we can dump the shit ones cheaply. Yes its better to have settled players who are worthy of a place but our recruitment has been terrible and we're left with a lot of expensive rubbish we can't shift. I can see all players being loans one day, or rather one season contracts. Also an NFL style draft system for the best youth, rather than a few clubs hoarding them would work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villatillidie1980 Posted January 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2019 Looks like he’s off and I wish him well - imagine what position we’d likely be in without his 16 goals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam3773 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Plot twist: Seen a couple of people say he turned up for training today. It's like Eastenders, this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, Sam3773 said: It's like Eastenders, this. Always has a horrible depressing ending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Heard something that Wolves wanted a loan with option to buy only, however the option to buy value has since increased given Liverpool got 19m for Solanke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 What will be will be. We'll find a new goal scorer. Could be anyone on the books. Davies filled in nicely for 10 games last year, someone will step up, and if they don't get goals like Tammy does, they'll bring something different to the team. But he's been good for us, so good luck Tammy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, Sam3773 said: Plot twist: Seen a couple of people say he turned up for training today. ITSOTP. That's when I'l believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, AvfcRigo82 said: ITSOTP. That's when I'l believe it. What does that stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 13 hours ago, holteend1982 said: Top comment is from abraham pretty much confirms it for me now. Is it me just getting old or is this really unprofessional? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Is it me just getting old or is this really unprofessional? Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merson08 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 ITSOTP. I am not 100% privvy on this and someone could give a more accurate response but FWIW I think its In The shirt On The Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted January 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, Merson08 said: ITSOTP. I am not 100% privvy on this and someone could give a more accurate response but FWIW I think its In The shirt On The Page Pitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Yes. The first or the second one? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: What does that stand for? In the/their shirt on the pitch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted January 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2019 25 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: The first or the second one? Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIVillan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 If Tammy goes he goes. We find a different way to play with the players we have got or are going to get. It is what Dean Smith is paid to work out. People should sometimes look back at history to maybe predict the future. We sold Andy Gray (A much better Striker) to Wolves for 1.5 million and ended up replacing him with some Journey Man called Peter Withe. Wolves finished above us in the 1979-80 season in the old Div 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: The blaming of Bruce for this is just nonsense. he signed an excellent striker (at this level) on loan for the season. As many people have pointed out, Abraham's goals are what have kept us from being even shitter than we already are this season. It's been a great signing even if it's only been for 6 months. Blaming Bruce for Chelsea recalling their player months after Bruce has left is really scraping the "stuff to blame on Steve Bruce" barrell. I have to agree Stevo. As you know I’m never adverse to a bit of Brucey Blame, I think he deserves most of it, but this one isn’t really down to him, or anyone else. We were hardly in a position to dictate the terms of the loan agreement. The fault lies in the fact that we have been badly run for about 10 years and allowed ourself to get into a situation where we don’t control our own squad. Hopefully that will change over time and the new owners are switched on enough to not make the same mistakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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