rodders0223 Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Just now, MotoMkali said: Dave and TRO continuing the circle jerk of hate I see And rodders Hate? I said he is not very good at anything? For a winger he isn't great at dribbling, not particularily fast, doesn't use jis height or frame, can't go past people, has got one of the worst touches I have ever seen, doesn't get involved much. On any given day if he catches fire he can rocket one in. That is about it. Being a winger is a numbers game and generally , even in the Championship his numbers were really poor. He is not good enough. For where we are atm I will suck it up and hopefully we don't have to start him more than double figures. For where I want us to he he doesn't even train with the first team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 27 minutes ago, Dave-R said: While in some way I agree in some ways I dont as well, I've a feeling we may see one or both sold in the summer. Hope so. Neither is remotely good enough for where we want to be as a club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Just now, Dave-R said: Was not our best player, I'd say that goes to Taore since he actually did make something happen. I'd also say the best were our defence for not letting more in. Traore created no chances and was in decent position twice for chances that were created down the left by el ghazi for the first chance and Targett for the 2nd one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, TRO said: what on earth are you talking about....we was playing well then....I could have scored 5......what does he do in a game? do you watch Watkins move around the front line.....thats energy and industry....when does ElGhazi do, his wing equivalent of that?, when does he beat his man and win his duels, when does he play players in?...he just stands off and sulks. He doesn't do enough at this level. For Ghazi to get a goal it takes 30 shots a game, okay I'm exaggerating by 10 so yeah 20 shots a game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Hes just not good enough for the Premier League. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) Aren't his numbers better than Adama Traore despite significantly less minutes? I actually think he's technically a decent player but there are other aspects missing that mean he'll never be a top level wide player. Last season I thought it was a lack of heart which meant he disappeared in too many tough away games but like Targett he corrected that this season. He's hardly the first wide player in football history to be like that, most actually are exactly those types. Remember a decade ago we were signing someone like N'zogbia who was relatively proven in premier league and then two years later rubbish punts like Tonev so we've signed far worse than him in relatively recent memory. He reminds me a bit of Scott Sinclair tbh who was another who scored the odd good goal and had decent technique but was so often on the fringes in a poor team. Edited February 21, 2021 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, MotoMkali said: Traore created no chances and was in decent position twice for chances that were created down the left by el ghazi for the first chance and Targett for the 2nd one. Must be watching a different game because second half Traore did more in like 20 mins than Ghazi did all the time he was on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 I thought he was good in the game, had flashes which is what you get with a winger. Involvement in the run up to the goal, some clever touches. Certainly more composed than his replacement. Harshly dropped for Barkley and has something in those feet. Don't want him as a starter, but not many have a backup of his quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: Dave and TRO continuing the circle jerk of hate I see And rodders Not hate at all it's called common sense in identifying weak players in our team who do need to be moved on and replaced with a better calibre of player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) El Ghazi and Trzeguet are where we were last season. However next season or two we need to replace them. Those two lads at Lille (Ikone and Bamba) I've been on about are perfect for us. Harvey Barnes is what we need from El Ghazi and Trezequet. We need more pace in the forward positions. Pace includes speed of thought, anticipation as well as running speed. These two don't have it. But they're bottom 6 premier League players and we've outgrown that. Edited February 21, 2021 by Sulberto21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Was OK today. That's the best you'll get from him against a good side like Leicester. He'll likely get steamrollered by Leeds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 56 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Aren't his numbers better than Adama Traore despite significantly less minutes? I actually think he's technically a decent player but there are other aspects missing that mean he'll never be a top level wide player. Last season I thought it was a lack of heart which meant he disappeared in too many tough away games but like Targett he corrected that this season. He's hardly the first wide player in football history to be like that, most actually are exactly those types. Remember a decade ago we were signing someone like N'zogbia who was relatively proven in premier league and then two years later rubbish punts like Tonev so we've signed far worse than him in relatively recent memory. He reminds me a bit of Scott Sinclair tbh who was another who scored the odd good goal and had decent technique but was so often on the fringes in a poor team. So are you saying, given the opportunity with Wolves to swap, you would decline.? I think can think of rakes of players who we have had over the years,worse than El Ghazi.....but I think we are drifting off the subject,slightly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VillanousOne Posted February 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) I think the issue is there is always one player's whose fan criticism seems disproportionate to others. I don't think anyone thinks El Ghazi is a world beater or an automatic starter, but he has scored plenty of important goals and got some good assists. Yes he is inconsistent and hugely frustrating at times, but he gets trolled for what he doesn't do and hardly any credit for what he does do right. People have been making excuses for McGinn and Luiz for months now, both players I rate highly, but they have been incredibly inconsitent and nowhere near what we know they are capable of, but they don't get Dog's abuse that Anwar gets, same with Trez who literally defines what 'headless chicken means'. Edited February 21, 2021 by VillanousOne 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantholtgolazo Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 To me his hit or miss first touch could be offset by his existing quality and a bit more pace, just don't see where that can come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 He's ok as a backup left winger for where we are atm, just keep him away from the right. He was fine today, was harsh to sub him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 4 hours ago, MotoMkali said: Traore created no chances and was in decent position twice for chances that were created down the left by me for the first chance and Targett for the 2nd one. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 To say he's not good at anything is plain wrong. Those saying that should try and learn about football. He has ability, but 0 belief in himself. He's also a very anxious player, never takes his time on the ball, always looks in panic mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I didn’t think he was good enough when we got promoted and I still don’t. Eventually, we will get round to upgrading him but other areas have required our attention beforehand. Don’t think he’s had a bad season as it goes and I’m sure we’ll get a decent fee for him when he moves on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 11 hours ago, TRO said: So are you saying, given the opportunity with Wolves to swap, you would decline.? I think can think of rakes of players who we have had over the years,worse than El Ghazi.....but I think we are drifting off the subject,slightly. As strange as it may sound, I wouldn’t. Not because I think AEG is brilliant, but because Adama is a bit crap. I’d swap him for Podence or Neto though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooJung Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I think he did all right all things considered, in the first half he probably was our best player out of the front 6 and was playing against two right backs which were meant to contain grealish. Not great by any means, but with what was going on around him it would've taken a world class performance to be "great". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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