Stevo985 Posted January 25, 2022 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, bobzy said: It should be used as a clear and obvious thing where the referee has missed something/got it wrong. You don't need forensic examinations of close call decisions - just the things that are blatantly wrong. (Although as with Ederson on Fraser, they miss these too... maybe there's just no **** hope). "Clear and Obvious" is one of the worst things that's ever happened to VAR. It doesn't really mean anything ANYTHING can be clear and obvious in the right context. If he ref doesn't see something then the smallest of touches or fouls or handballs is clear and obvious. "Clear and Obvious" in itself requires discretion, which just adds another layer of uncertainty. They'd have been far better off never using that term 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 On 24/01/2022 at 17:49, blunther said: Ball hasn't left his foot yet. If it was Man United concdeing the goal, they'd be doing the VAR check one frame further forward, which is 1/60th of a second (I believe 60FPS cameras are used). Doesn't sound a lot but if the defender is static and Cavani is running at 10M/s, then he'd be 17cm further on in the next frame and therefore offside. That's the thing with VAR. They make out like offside is cut and dry. It isn't. The cameras aren't fast enough to make accurate decisions. The choice of the frame is subjective, and is never discussed. This is a great post and I was saying something similar after we had a goal chalked off because of a couple of millimetres of Wesley's heel a couple of seasons ago. The spend so much time drawing lines and measuring up to upper arms etc which all feels fairly subjective, but they never seem to pay much attention to the frame at which the player has released the ball. If it's touching his foot, he hasn't passed it yet. So what are they looking for there, do they need clear air between foot and ball? The frame before clear air? It's almost impossible to get accuracy. The VAR offside system is the most egregious part of it. 2mm offside shouldn't be offside. Like with every single VAR decision, for offsides, the VAR should flag to the officiating referee that they think a decision needs reviewing and why, and the officiating referee should get to watch the incident from 2 different angles once each at regular speed. If they can't overturn it from that, it's not clear and obvious and the ruling on the pitch should stand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: "Clear and Obvious" is one of the worst things that's ever happened to VAR. It doesn't really mean anything ANYTHING can be clear and obvious in the right context. If he ref doesn't see something then the smallest of touches or fouls or handballs is clear and obvious. "Clear and Obvious" in itself requires discretion, which just adds another layer of uncertainty. They'd have been far better off never using that term Haha - agreed. Sorry, shouldn't have used that term I mean just something that is, factually, an incorrect decision. Don't send a referee to a monitor, just overrule them. You got that wrong, this is the correct call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Another farcical decision, this time in the AFCON. Cape Verde goalkeeper sent off for an honest challenge and a 50-50 header, he was already seeing stars and was being substituted before VAR decided to intervene totally unnecessarily yet again and further ruin a football match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Kevin Friend dropped from next round of games after the Jota farce Pawson, on VAR that day, continues as normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 52 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Kevin Friend dropped from next round of games after the Jota farce Pawson, on VAR that day, continues as normal Wait, so they're saying the ref who gave the correct original decision is being penalised, and not the VAR guy telling him he'd made a "clear and obvious" error? Kevin Friend is a word removed, but that is properly odd. Wonder what would've happened had Friend stood by his original decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted February 2, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, StanBalaban said: Wait, so they're saying the ref who gave the correct original decision is being penalised, and not the VAR guy telling him he'd made a "clear and obvious" error? Kevin Friend is a word removed, but that is properly odd. Wonder what would've happened had Friend stood by his original decision? You never know it might make Refs go with their original decision!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Couldn’t post this in the Manure thread as it’s still locked so it’s in here instead. Schmeichel seems to have selective memory as he’s clearly forgotten what happened in the last round when we played them. Dick head!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) I'm sure we even talked on here about the rule when it changed last year and several people immediately realised the implications of anyone who handballs it just having to pass. It's amazing to me that pundits can be so clueless about the game they're paid to talk about. Once they realise these things aren't decided on vague concepts like 'seeming fair', but actual written down rules, then they may get better at their jobs. They'd certainly have a more positive impact on the game if they made an effort to understand and lobby against bad rules when they're being introduced, rather than waiting for uproar when a team deserving of their attention gets shafted. Edited February 5, 2022 by Sam-AVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 How long can the pretence that this is neutral continue ? Liverpool seemed to get bailed out by it every week ! It isn't even subtle any more ? The villa goal at Manu ? Are we that downtrodden that we just accept this as another perk of the big clubs ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 The Liverpool keeper one is an absolute joke They can say the CB would block the goalscoring opportunity all they like but that's bollocks as he's wide of him and on top of that we all know what the result of that is at the other end Its bias plain and simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted February 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 8, 2022 2 goals denied ManUre by VAR. Have they lost their ability to decide outcomes based on their club badge? Long may it continue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, The_Steve said: And this explains why they no longer show them drawing the lines on, only the final result. Let's them place and move the lines as much as they want behind the scenes to manipulate the outcome. Edited February 13, 2022 by a-k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 13, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 13, 2022 Bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 At this point you just accept the obvious match-fixing as part of the game. Depressing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sne Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) No idea if the offside call was correct or not, frankly it doesn't even matter. Just hate what VAR has done to football, completely ruins the game for me. There are more reasons as to why I'm falling out of love with football but VAR is absolutely one of them. Edited February 13, 2022 by sne 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, sne said: No idea if the offside call was correct or not, frankly it doesn't even matter. Just hate what VAR has done to the football, completely ruins the game for me. There are more reasons as to why I'm falling out of love with football but VAR is absolutely one of them. The var could have been paused in about 6 different spots, making the decision go one way or another, I stand by what I said in the match thread. This result has been manipulated by the ref and var and as piss poor as we were, it's still taken this for us to lose, bent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Phil Silvers said: The var could have been paused in about 6 different spots, making the decision go one way or another, I stand by what I said in the match thread. This result has been manipulated by the ref and var and as piss poor as we were, it's still taken this for us to lose, bent. Agree, we were awful but that Var decision has been constructed to chalk the goal off for Villa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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