TRO Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Did he actually blame the club for this? I have seen him have a go at Bruce before which was fair enough but I dont remember him blaming the club Maybe my words are general.....meaning looking like its everyone elses fault. Has he had a go at Dean Smith yet....because nothing has changed? Edited July 21, 2019 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, nick76 said: A lot of people dissing him and yes I’m not convinced by him but reality suggests that if we don’t buy another striker and it’s unlikely we’ll offload him, he’s going to be one of our subs for striker next season. Davis doesn’t score goals, Kodja used to be good but not recently (although seems to have a good afcon) so if something happened to Wes or as a sub to Wes, we are short of options so Hogan comes into play. classing RHM as a left or right forward based on watching him ie El Ghazi type role Please for the love of god can we now sign Maupay. There are those that do see it how it is and if by some chance big Wes gets hurt or fails to deliver, we do need options and Hogan and Kodjia are not the answer. Were going to have to dig deep for one or possibly two more strikers and I feel Maupay will be an excellent choice to have next to Wesley. Smith should offload Hogan and Kodjia asap, maybe he's already tried and if it's that bad and nobody wants them then what does that say about the pair of them. Edited July 21, 2019 by Dave-R 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 I think Davis needs to go out on loan. I think Kodjia is a good back up to Wes. If we sign Maupay or another striker then I think Hogan will be sold, in fact his chances of playing a part for us are slim. That's said as long as he is still here I will want him to do well during the preseason, even if that means he just gets a move elsewhere. I felt that by the time Dean cam on board Hogan had lost all confidence and with Tammy doing so well in a one striker system a few short cameos was never going to show much from Hogan, obviously most people want him gone which is fair enough. But we do need depth in attack as if Wes gets injured we will be in trouble, Trezeguet if he signs and El Ghazi will need to contribute goals and both are untested at Prem level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 hours ago, TRO said: I am not going to poo poo his goal.....a goal is a goal to me....not to be sniffed at. My worry is.....He seems to blame the club for his lack of goals and so do some fans, blaming service etc. Alan Shearer once said......As a goalscorer, you have find a way to score, you have to work your way in to score......There is not much future for players who just like stuff on a plate, that is not to be confused with players that read the game and make intelligent runs like David Platt did. Scott doesn't just have to work hard, he needs to work smart. You don’t have to look much further than peak Benteke. He basically assisted himself half the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 People on the twitters and the facebooks seem well annoyed that he megged the keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 He has always reminded me of Shane Long. Whilst I think he has a good work ethic, I think, like Long, he will struggle for goals at the top level. However, I do think he should have been more prolific at Championship level. Bristol City were rumoured to want him and they should have money having sold Lloyd Kelly etc.. I would gladly offload if we can get £8m or thereabouts and re-invest in Maupay who I think has more about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, barry'sboots said: He has always reminded me of Shane Long. Whilst I think he has a good work ethic, I think, like Long, he will struggle for goals at the top level. However, I do think he should have been more prolific at Championship level. Bristol City were rumoured to want him and they should have money having sold Lloyd Kelly etc.. I would gladly offload if we can get £8m or thereabouts and re-invest in Maupay who I think has more about him. Shane Long's criminal lack of goals is made up for the fact he leads the line so well, his all round game is top notch and he must be a nightmare to play against. Scott Hogan isn't in my opinion, he is a defender's dream. It's best for all parties if we both moved on as soon as possible and not drag it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Hogan just doesn't got enough quality. He is what the English coaches of old would label "a honest lad" that just won't cut it. Just like Weimann, working hard isn't enough in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 what i dont get with hogan, is he's fairly short (well....not tall), hes really really stocky, like a tree trunk almost..... ....unyet he gets kocked off the ball like a leaf in the wind......i dont get it?, with his physique and fairly bulky/low centre of gravity stature, he should be really hard to knock off the ball. ....but he really isnt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 57 minutes ago, MaVilla said: what i dont get with hogan, is he's fairly short (well....not tall), hes really really stocky, like a tree trunk almost..... ....unyet he gets kocked off the ball like a leaf in the wind......i dont get it?, with his physique and fairly bulky/low centre of gravity stature, he should be really hard to knock off the ball. ....but he really isnt. do you think unyet is a word? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerner's Driver Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Hulk's dug his own grave, now he needs to climb in it. I'll push the soil over the top and prepare his RIP Goal Hero plaque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 On 22/07/2019 at 18:42, barry'sboots said: He has always reminded me of Shane Long. Whilst I think he has a good work ethic, I think, like Long, he will struggle for goals at the top level. However, I do think he should have been more prolific at Championship level. Bristol City were rumoured to want him and they should have money having sold Lloyd Kelly etc.. I would gladly offload if we can get £8m or thereabouts and re-invest in Maupay who I think has more about him. I would sell him even for 2m, as things stands, let alone 8m. No one would offer anything near to that amount as everybody knows we want him out. Especially Bristol who wanted 30m for Webster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 9 hours ago, MaVilla said: what i dont get with hogan, is he's fairly short (well....not tall), hes really really stocky, like a tree trunk almost..... ....unyet he gets kocked off the ball like a leaf in the wind......i dont get it?, with his physique and fairly bulky/low centre of gravity stature, he should be really hard to knock off the ball. ....but he really isnt. Do you think his problems are mostly psychological? He just never seems happy and has looked tired, down n unhappy during preseason as well. Don’t think it’s possible now but maybe with a bit of building up n confidence he could get a decent amount of goals, don’t see how any half decent/capable striker can’t/won’t score goals with the style of play that Deano has been implementing. Rather we just got rid but that seems so difficult and he’s not a bad character or personality either, doesn’t seem the disruptive type. Seems an honest lad who genuinely wants to do well but just isn’t cutting it. I really wonder what enabled him to score so many goals at Brentford and be highly rated at the time. West Ham really wanted him (I wonder if Bilic would take him at WBA now, we should offer him to them) and us signing him was seen as a bit of a coup at the time. A shame it hasn’t worked out but we can’t afford any passengers at the club, especially now we’ve got promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 10 hours ago, YLN said: do you think unyet is a word? Should I care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 10 hours ago, YLN said: do you think unyet is a word? Not unyet you mention it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, MaVilla said: Should I care? I don't know. You're trying to seem like you don't. Unyet, I think you do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, YLN said: I don't know. You're trying to seem like you don't. Unyet, I think you do Well even if it doesn't exist, you clearly understood my meaning so all is well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, MaVilla said: Well even if it doesn't exist, you clearly understood my meaning so all is well It's a word now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Unyet is actually a very useful word, one our language has been missing for centuries. My bet is it will be in the OED this time next year. You read it here first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Jas10 said: Do you think his problems are mostly psychological? He just never seems happy and has looked tired, down n unhappy during preseason as well. Don’t think it’s possible now but maybe with a bit of building up n confidence he could get a decent amount of goals, don’t see how any half decent/capable striker can’t/won’t score goals with the style of play that Deano has been implementing. Rather we just got rid but that seems so difficult and he’s not a bad character or personality either, doesn’t seem the disruptive type. Seems an honest lad who genuinely wants to do well but just isn’t cutting it. I really wonder what enabled him to score so many goals at Brentford and be highly rated at the time. West Ham really wanted him (I wonder if Bilic would take him at WBA now, we should offer him to them) and us signing him was seen as a bit of a coup at the time. A shame it hasn’t worked out but we can’t afford any passengers at the club, especially now we’ve got promoted. A poor player who found a bit of form at Brentford. Nothing more to say really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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