DCJonah Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 30 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said: No it isn't. He is a proven goalscorer, and he will prove that again if we get a proper manager. He's not proven at this level at all. It's a very small portion of a professional in his mid 20's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 19, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 19, 2017 If Bruce is staying we may as well try and sell him in January because he isn’t going to work out playing for him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted October 19, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2017 42 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: If Bruce is staying we may as well try and sell him in January because he isn’t going to work out playing for him. Sadly, I agree. He was a wrong purchase for this manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) Not once has he ever had a plan for him and he has absolutely no appreciation for his strengths and weakness. This has been an absolute calamity. Edited October 19, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Not once has he ever had a plan for him and he has absolutely no appreciate for his strengths and weakness. This has been an absolute calamity. I agree but if this is a calamity what do you call the Mccormack situation. Its at least 3 rungs higher on the farce ladder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 39 minutes ago, AVFCDAN said: I agree but if this is a calamity what do you call the Mccormack situation. Its at least 3 rungs higher on the farce ladder. At this stage its obvious the calamity is the manager 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Could Be Rotterdam Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 So where does Hogan go from here? I think many felt the game was screaming out for him yesterday, he'd have provided an outlet and taken the attentions of their centre backs who were having a really poor game. Bruce just doesn't seem to want to play him in a team which will make use of his strengths. It still blows my mind he hasn't had a run with Davis, who I think is tailor made for Hogans game. It will be a real shame, but I think he'll try to engineer a move away in January and will go on to be great for another team with us making a big loss on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, This Could Be Rotterdam said: So where does Hogan go from here? I think many felt the game was screaming out for him yesterday, he'd have provided an outlet and taken the attentions of their centre backs who were having a really poor game. Bruce just doesn't seem to want to play him in a team which will make use of his strengths. It still blows my mind he hasn't had a run with Davis, who I think is tailor made for Hogans game. It will be a real shame, but I think he'll try to engineer a move away in January and will go on to be great for another team with us making a big loss on him. The game wasn't crying for him at all. With him on, the ball would've come back quicker. Davis came on and held the ball up, which Hogan wouldn't have done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Yeah, he'd have been the worst possible substitution yesterday, he can't play with his back to goal or hold the ball for even a second - he's just a poacher and nothing else. The problem is it's hard to think of a time when he would be a good substitution - maybe if we're winning by three clear goals or something. I think he's done here to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: The game wasn't crying for him at all. With him on, the ball would've come back quicker. Davis came on and held the ball up, which Hogan wouldn't have done. Tbf Davis had very little impact and didn’t really hold it up well yesterday Hogan would probably have closed the defenders down much quicker as they played it about at the back ,than Davis But Bruce chose Davis over Hogan so I think that is telling in regards Hogans long term future 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 I think Hogan is a good player when played to his strengths, but my heart always sinks when he comes on for us because I know we are just going to lump long balls for him to get nowhere near, it just feels like waving the white flag. I don't think Bruce has ever tried to use him constructively, when he comes off the bench it is a sign of desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 He's a very limited player, and one that we paid massively over the odds for. Can see him going for around £5m in January. Hopefully, at any rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 The problem is not that, when he comes on, we won't change the entire team's preferred style of play to account for Hogan's preferences/limitations (delete as preferred). I don't see how that would be either desirable or practical. The issue is that we spent a king's ransom on a player who doesn't fit the team's preferred style of play in the first place. If we can sell him for any sort of money and replace him with a striker who would fit a pacy, counter-attacking team who need their striker to play with their back to goal, then we should do so at the first opportunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 19/10/2017 at 11:06, Dr_Pangloss said: Not once has he ever had a plan for him and he has absolutely no appreciation for his strengths and weakness. This has been an absolute calamity. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Think it's probably an idea to see if palace want to do some swappsy of benteke for Hogan and jed. Makes me chuckle though at people saying he is shit at holding the ball up so is useless. Just like Owen lineker rush Aldridge bent Kevin Phillips and other poachers.. ..hardley back to goal forwards holding off big centre halves but they managed to be legends at various clubs. Most had a foil to work off and again most of those players played at a decent standard. Moaning for the sake of it or to moan about the manager. He's not played in a 4 4 2 with a hold up striker since he's been here so it's hardly s surprise he's not looked the player he should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, brummybloke said: Think it's probably an idea to see if palace want to do some swappsy of benteke for Hogan and jed. Makes me chuckle though at people saying he is shit at holding the ball up so is useless. Just like Owen lineker rush Aldridge bent Kevin Phillips and other poachers.. ..hardley back to goal forwards holding off big centre halves but they managed to be legends at various clubs. Most had a foil to work off and again most of those players played at a decent standard. Moaning for the sake of it or to moan about the manager. He's not played in a 4 4 2 with a hold up striker since he's been here so it's hardly s surprise he's not looked the player he should be. Its a long ole' season....He will be used. our squad size/quality...could be the very thing that see's us over the line.....through those dark wintery months Edited October 23, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 10/22/2017 at 11:47, tonyh29 said: Tbf Davis had very little impact and didn’t really hold it up well yesterday Hogan would probably have closed the defenders down much quicker as they played it about at the back ,than Davis But Bruce chose Davis over Hogan so I think that is telling in regards Hogans long term future Pretty much what I was going to say. Thought Davis looked very lethargic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Another impressive cameo Awful touch and so weak. We are going to lose a fortune on this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 minute ago, DCJonah said: Another impressive cameo Awful touch and so weak. We are going to lose a fortune on this deal. He played for 10 minutes. You can give the vendetta a rest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, bobzy said: He played for 10 minutes. You can give the vendetta a rest. And was crap. Didn't realise there was a time limit before a performance could be judged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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