S-Platt Posted November 17, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 17, 2016 Depends on his ideas a sports city type plan like Man City is needed in Birmingham. Loads of state of the art arenas for different sports/concerts would be possible. That would serve the whole of the midlands and is easily accessible from the motorway network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted November 17, 2016 Administrator Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 hour ago, One For The Road said: I'm not missing the point. You can't compare the London Docklands area to Aston. Docklands is waterfront property in one of the world's leading cities. Inner city Birmingham is never going to be a place people want to spend time and no matter how much he pumps in, that will not change. When you say "never"; what about in 70 years when central London is underwater? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolteExile Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Or even just 15 years, when Brum is seen as part of Greater London. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) We need to know what the scope of Tony's plan for Villa Park is before making suggestions. There is little point in talking about a new stadium based at the centre of a new sports/retail/residential complex with direct transport links to the city centre, if Tony sets a budget that will only stretch to jet washing the dirty concrete on the back on the North Stand. Similarly, there's little point in restricting our thoughts to fast beer pouring devices if Tony's got large investment and development plans. Come on Tony, give us a clue! Edited November 17, 2016 by brommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyvilla Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 any chance of cooling the heineken in the holte end properly before we rebuild the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 17, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, One For The Road said: I'm not missing the point. You can't compare the London Docklands area to Aston. Docklands is waterfront property in one of the world's leading cities. Inner city Birmingham is never going to be a place people want to spend time and no matter how much he pumps in, that will not change. Apologies. Your not missing the point at all, your just wrong. If he pumped £2bn of Chinese investment in, Aston would be a place where people want to live and spend time. Look at what is going on in Digbeth. Look at Eastside Locks which is only a hop skip and a jump from Aston as it is. Areas can be reinvented. Tony was involved in building several entire cities bigger than Birmingham and moving half a billion people from a rural to urban locations. He is a town planner and developer by profession Aston would be a ripple in a small pond compared to what he's done. You can't think of Aston in terms of what it is now. Of course all this depends on if Tony is kosher and the rumors / status of him are correct. If not we will get some new cladding on the side of The North Stand and a new hot dog stand outside. Edited November 17, 2016 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 ITK! the pitch is being lowered in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted December 20, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2016 21 minutes ago, villa4europe said: ITK! the pitch is being lowered in the summer Elphick will appear even shorter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Evans Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 42 minutes ago, villa4europe said: ITK! the pitch is being lowered in the summer Tell us more! Do you know why they are doing it? Are they looking to increase capacity by building downwards, like at the Nou Camp many years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 52 minutes ago, villa4europe said: ITK! the pitch is being lowered in the summer By how much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 On 16/11/2016 at 20:10, sidcow said: Your totally missing the point. Tony said from the outset that he wants to delevop not just Villa Park but the whole area. As I have mentioned earlier on this thread London Docklands was considered a hell hole 20 years ago where no one in their right minds would go at night. Now it's one of the most valuable pieces of real estate in the world. That's what regeneration and development is all about. OK he's not going to create a new Canary Wharf in Aston but how about Brindley Place (also a desolate wasteland 20 years ago) or Dudley Waterfront. Put the residents of Aston in Docklands and it will soon be a shit hole. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, brommy said: By how much? 'bout tree-fiddy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 On 17/11/2016 at 19:07, sidcow said: Apologies. Your not missing the point at all, your just wrong. If he pumped £2bn of Chinese investment in, Aston would be a place where people want to live and spend time. Look at what is going on in Digbeth. Look at Eastside Locks which is only a hop skip and a jump from Aston as it is. Areas can be reinvented. Tony was involved in building several entire cities bigger than Birmingham and moving half a billion people from a rural to urban locations. He is a town planner and developer by profession Aston would be a ripple in a small pond compared to what he's done. You can't think of Aston in terms of what it is now. Of course all this depends on if Tony is kosher and the rumors / status of him are correct. If not we will get some new cladding on the side of The North Stand and a new hot dog stand outside. Digbeth and Eastside have a fair whack of council cash pumped into them over the last 15 - 20 years. IMO they are still not desireable areas. I really don't see where Tony would get the massive amounts of cash to redevelop the whole of Aston from. It would take years - you can't rock up to the planning department and say "I want to demolish Aston as it stands and this is what I want to build there" I think the very, very most your looking at is an extended North Stand - with maybe a shopping mall\retail park style development. I would caution against getting hopeful for major city projects in Aston..or anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Stephen_Evans said: Tell us more! Do you know why they are doing it? Are they looking to increase capacity by building downwards, like at the Nou Camp many years ago? No they're looking to improve the electrical infrastructure and it'll increase our advertising revenue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted December 20, 2016 Administrator Share Posted December 20, 2016 48 minutes ago, hippo said: Digbeth and Eastside have a fair whack of council cash pumped into them over the last 15 - 20 years. IMO they are still not desireable areas. I really don't see where Tony would get the massive amounts of cash to redevelop the whole of Aston from. It would take years - you can't rock up to the planning department and say "I want to demolish Aston as it stands and this is what I want to build there" Why would Xia need cash? That's not how these developments work. IF it is his plan to develop a new docklands, he's just got to sell his ideas to the investors HS2 will be bringing into the city. Docklands wasn't paid for by one person and neither would this be. Cheap land adjacent to the city centre with short commute times to London will sell themselves - he'll be hoping that he can build out a wedge / corridor from Selfridges to VIlla Park / Aston Hall. Trams to VP 100 years after the last ones ran perhaps. But all of this is a big "if". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 16 minutes ago, villa4europe said: No they're looking to improve the electrical infrastructure and it'll increase our advertising revenue Plus, it will improve the view and it will be cool as ****! This kind of forward thinking is all a bit too much for me. I need a lie down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 20, 2016 Moderator Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Stephen_Evans said: Tell us more! Do you know why they are doing it? Are they looking to increase capacity by building downwards, like at the Nou Camp many years ago? The Camp Nou wasn't expanded by building downwards, it was expanded by adding a third tier and then they lowered the pitch. As for Villa, why would they lower the pitch? I'm not sure I get the benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godders Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: The Camp Nou wasn't expanded by building downwards, it was expanded by adding a third tier and then they lowered the pitch. As for Villa, why would they lower the pitch? I'm not sure I get the benefit. Barcelona last 6 at home = W3, D3 Aston Villa last 6 at home = W4, D2 Clearly we're better than Barcelona, so why shouldn't we lower the pitch?! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted December 20, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 hour ago, pacbuddies said: Put the residents of Aston in Docklands and it will soon be a shit hole. It's Christmas, you need to have a watch of Trading Places! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 If there's one thing Tony knows a lot.about it's urban redevelopment. I'd trust him to know more than me or anyone else here about what to do with Villa Park and the surrounding areas. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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