Chindie Posted September 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2022 There are a lot of hardcore Trumpers still out there. Even the more moderate Republican membership will view any attempt to prosecute Trump as an attack on the party and them directly. There's significant groups aligned with Trump's MAGA shit that essentially are waiting for the moment to start violence proper - some view Biden's comments against Trump's 'ideology' the other day as the declaration that war is on. Go for Trump in any serious way and you will have bombs going off in short order. Sadly, as wrong as it is, and as heinous as what he's done would be to the US establishment, he's basically protected by the shitstorm and damage that would be done by gunning for him. As such, there will be the appearance of skiing something, but it will be slow and the parties will milk it and keep it as a political game, and eventually either Trump will be so toxic the GOP won't touch him going forwards and his torch will be picked up by a slightly moderated MAGA madman, or he will be pushed into a bargain where he gets away with everything provided he steps away from political life, or it rattles on so long the cholesterol finally catches up on him. They will seek to damage Trump so consistently but softly that they get rid of him, and that'll do. His support will not accept him taking a serious hard punishment, nor will the Republican Party generally as they get damned by their kowtowing to him, and it damages the position of President generally, so there will be limited political will to actually give a fitting punishment for the crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2022 39 minutes ago, Chindie said: There are a lot of hardcore Trumpers still out there. Even the more moderate Republican membership will view any attempt to prosecute Trump as an attack on the party and them directly. There's significant groups aligned with Trump's MAGA shit that essentially are waiting for the moment to start violence proper - some view Biden's comments against Trump's 'ideology' the other day as the declaration that war is on. Go for Trump in any serious way and you will have bombs going off in short order. Sadly, as wrong as it is, and as heinous as what he's done would be to the US establishment, he's basically protected by the shitstorm and damage that would be done by gunning for him. As such, there will be the appearance of skiing something, but it will be slow and the parties will milk it and keep it as a political game, and eventually either Trump will be so toxic the GOP won't touch him going forwards and his torch will be picked up by a slightly moderated MAGA madman, or he will be pushed into a bargain where he gets away with everything provided he steps away from political life, or it rattles on so long the cholesterol finally catches up on him. They will seek to damage Trump so consistently but softly that they get rid of him, and that'll do. His support will not accept him taking a serious hard punishment, nor will the Republican Party generally as they get damned by their kowtowing to him, and it damages the position of President generally, so there will be limited political will to actually give a fitting punishment for the crime. It is sad to see the Republican Party stoop to this. I've never been a fan, and increasingly disagree with their values, but Trumpism is not Republicanism, or conservatism, and I wish his supporters could see it. Lincoln would be turning in his grave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted September 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2022 3 hours ago, blandy said: Being completely serious for a moment, that’s not how it works. Materiel which is classified above the relatively lower levels is all registered, with the document owner/keeper being listed, the precise location of the secure cabinet in which it is kept being listed, the copy number (there may be more than one copy), the reference number, number of pages, classification and so on all being listed in the register. Annual musters are carried out to check the document is exactly where it is supposed to be. Anyone removing the document or item from its secure cabinet has to sign it out to them in the register. So Trump has either returned the document to where it should be, but kept the empty folder, or he has still got the document, but not in its folder, or he has no longer got the document. Given that the feds were actively looking for the documents, it seems clear Trump hadn’t returned them to where they should be. So that just leaves 3 possibilities. Trump still has them, someone else has them, obtained from Trump, or they have been destroyed. If these documents are to be destroyed, there’s again a process, and their destruction certificate goes in the register. Clearly that’s not been done either. So what should happen with documents classified “confidential” (or above - secret, TS etc.) has very clearly not been adhered to. it’ll be intriguing to see what happens, because he’s seemingly massively broken the law and there’s seemingly missing, highly classified, data in the possession of persons unknown. Yeah but Trump stood over the documents whilst President, waved his hands about a bit, said some words and magically declassified them using his special powers. He then clearly used these special powers to make them later dissappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Trump cosying up to Qanon in Ohio then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 21, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2022 Trump and three of his children hit with Fraud Lawsuit in New York, only seen a notification on my phone not an actual article but I presume this is over the under/over valuations on his property portfolio that reduced their tax liability 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 So it begins. Justice departement next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I’ll get some popcorn. Sit back and enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted September 21, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2022 Does she have a chance of making this stick? She's gone in hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 21, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Does she have a chance of making this stick? She's gone in hard. He'll be pennyless when it's over. It's not just this case, this is the spark that will light a lot of other claims from financial institutions against him because he's vastly overinflated his net worth to obtain further credit and they'll come after him hard too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 hours ago, bickster said: He'll be pennyless when it's over. It's not just this case, this is the spark that will light a lot of other claims from financial institutions against him because he's vastly overinflated his net worth to obtain further credit and they'll come after him hard too He won’t be penniless because he’ll get his Trump fan base to give him more donations once all his money is gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted September 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 22, 2022 8 hours ago, bickster said: He'll be pennyless when it's over. It's not just this case, this is the spark that will light a lot of other claims from financial institutions against him because he's vastly overinflated his net worth to obtain further credit and they'll come after him hard too I hope you're right. Sadly this shyster seems to squirm his way out of every situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAVFC Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, TheAuthority said: I hope you're right. Sadly this shyster seems to squirm his way out of every situation. Yes this really needs to stick. If it is thrown out, it could just be the help he needs to get re-elected. Would it be done before the presidential election run? And if not can he still run while it is still undecided? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 On 20/09/2022 at 13:02, Xann said: Trump cosying up to Qanon in Ohio then That was quite terrifying. If he manages to get into power again I genuinely worry what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 The Dems are actually catching up to Trump-world in the polls. The easy solution to this would be if the Republicans realised that Trump is ruining their chances of power and got rid of him themselves. Morally I want him tried on live TV, taken apart and put in an orange suit that blends nicely with his face for the rest of his life. Together with Guiliani and the other idiots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 3 hours ago, DCJonah said: That was quite terrifying. If he manages to get into power again I genuinely worry what will happen. It was dark as ****. Like straight out of some dystopian sci-fi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HKP90 Posted September 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 22, 2022 America has reached a stage where a criminal conviction is an endorsement, a badge of honour for a presidential candidate because it proves that 'the establishment' want to take him down. And said candidate seeks a voting bloc consisting of people who think the world is run by a secret cabal of Satan worshipping child molesters. Total societal collapse is the inevitable endgame here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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El Zen Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Is Joe Biden quietly proving himself the most progressive, dare I say best, US president since the days of LBJ, JFK or even FDR? Just throwing it out there. He might just be outperforming my low expectations based on him having the public appearance of an old, semi-demented fuddy duddy, but I think his presidency is very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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