ml1dch Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, HKP90 said: IIRC, Hillary was a shoe-in until the email server thing broke a week before the election. Not really. The polls the week before weren't all that different to the months leading up to it. Some polls had Trump up five points in September. July 2016 - November 2016 With some outliers, the trend was Clinton with a 3-4 point lead all the way through. Losing 1-2% of that meant that she finished with a 2% lead, which was enough to lose the election. Edited August 9, 2022 by ml1dch 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, LondonLax said: That sounds remarkably similar to China’s interpretation of ‘democracy’ in Hong Kong. Eh? I think there is a big difference between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 minute ago, nick76 said: Eh? I think there is a big difference between the two. Maybe I misinterpreted your post but I took it to mean some higher power should prevent candidates they deem ‘unsuitable’. A bit like what happens in Hong Kong now. “Sure, You can vote for whoever you like!” (from the list of candidates pre approved by the Chinese government as being ‘appropriate’). Obviously if Trump is convicted of crimes against the country that would put him out of the running for office but I was interpreting it as a more general point that someone should have stopped him or someone like him from running in the first place so we didn’t have to suffer his first term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 6 hours ago, sidcow said: He's surely not stupid enough to keep the incriminating stuff in his own house? He might not be stupid enough, but he sure is arrogant enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Ok, in the emails thing. Clinton was thoroughly investigated over many years about these emails. Violations were discovered and the people who committed the violations were held to account. Clinton was not found to have done anything wrong herself. She was described as at worst careless, not criminal. Clinton's premises were not raided because there was never any belief/evidence that she was keeping the emails or server in her house. If you want the same level of accountability to be held to both Clinton and Trump, then a full investigation following the evidence to it's conclusion is the way to go. There is no way you can point at how Clinton was treated and say that she got better treatment than trump is now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 26 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Maybe I misinterpreted your post but I took it to mean some higher power should prevent candidates they deem ‘unsuitable’. A bit like what happens in Hong Kong now. “Sure, You can vote for whoever you like!” (from the list of candidates pre approved by the Chinese government as being ‘appropriate’). Obviously if Trump is convicted of crimes against the country that would put him out of the running for office but I was interpreting it as a more general point that someone should have stopped him or someone like him from running in the first place so we didn’t have to suffer his first term. Oh! I see why you thought that now. No I meant through people voting, that the people through experience don’t allow this to happen again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, HKP90 said: IIRC, Hillary was a shoe-in until the email server thing broke a week before the election. It really looked that way, especially after pussygate broke, and even the staunchest Trump supporters thought he was dead in the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 hours ago, LondonLax said: Maybe I misinterpreted your post but I took it to mean some higher power should prevent candidates they deem ‘unsuitable’. I think Wall Street does this in the US at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted August 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: I think Wall Street does this in the US at the moment. Everyone and everything should have oversight. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, HKP90 said: Everyone and everything should have oversight. We the people? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_serpente Posted August 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2022 Apparently, a finding that Trump broke the laws regarding documents will not disqualify him from running for or holding office. Several SCOTUS rulings relevant to Congress and President that Congress does not have authority in the Constitution to set their own qualifications or disqualifications for office by enacting statutes. Qualifications can only be set by the Constitution. Impeachment seems to be the remedy to remove and keep out a President. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 hours ago, il_serpente said: Apparently, a finding that Trump broke the laws regarding documents will not disqualify him from running for or holding office. Several SCOTUS rulings relevant to Congress and President that Congress does not have authority in the Constitution to set their own qualifications or disqualifications for office by enacting statutes. Qualifications can only be set by the Constitution. Impeachment seems to be the remedy to remove and keep out a President. Cool. Someone will this time top him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2022 Feds removed Ten Boxes of documents from Trumps Florida residence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 10, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2022 If Trump runs at the next election and wins, will he be older than Biden was when he won this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 10, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: If Trump runs at the next election and wins, will he be older than Biden was when he won this one? I think the answer is yes by about 8 months 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 40 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: If Trump runs at the next election and wins, will he be older than Biden was when he won this one? Trump will never be President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 45 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Trump will never be President. Yep it happened and what a disaster it turned out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted August 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, nick76 said: Yep it happened and what a disaster it turned out to be. Reduced world stability for sure. Their withdrawal from the world stage under trump (and I might say their abstinence from global responsibility (climate change being but 1 example, but also with respect to military rhetoric)), has in my opinion been one of the factors leading to the current state of affairs we find ourselves in. Of course the pandemic has also led to economic instability, but had it been handled domestically better, rather than downplaying it, and suggesting bleach IVs, the economic picture may have been more favourable elsewhere also, and dictators may have been less inclined to be so bold. Of course there are lots and lots of factors at play here, but the irresponsible trump administration won't have helped. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Pleading the 5th in the NY property case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 It looks like the plan is to keep sending the Feds around until they find something they can indict Trump with, so he can't run again. Which will be another first in American politics. FBI lawyer Clinesmith actually forged evidence against Trump in the Russia-gate thing, and so maybe they'll do something similar again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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