MakemineVanilla Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Vancvillan said: Ha - I remember White Van Man in The Sun, where they'd ask some blue collar guy about Ulrika Johnson's short skirt and he'd reply "cor, wat a stunna" or something more crude. But my point stands - especially in the states, if you have one thing about you (drive a pick-up, listen to country music, work in trades, don't like the idea of high federal taxes, question the practically of moving everyone to electric cars) you get a while bunch of baggage associated with that - you must also hate abortion, love trump, be a racist, etc. And the opposite is true if you drive a Prius. It's just one more way in which complex humans are reimagined as either right wing nut jobs or loony liberals and it's tiring, boring and frankly dangerous. I think there is more than enough evidence to posit a quantity theory of hatred, when it comes to our species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) Re Trump - so the FBI didn’t screw up and took more than they should as Trump and his allies claim from this thread of tweets Edited August 31, 2022 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Did I hear it right on the news that Sarah Palin lost the Alaska special election to replace the late congressman Bigot Nutjob (R) (aka Don Young)? To a Democrat? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted September 2, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2022 6 hours ago, El Zen said: Did I hear it right on the news that Sarah Palin lost the Alaska special election to replace the late congressman Bigot Nutjob (R) (aka Don Young)? To a Democrat? Yes. First female and first indigenous person in history for that seat. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 and wasn’t it due to the ranked vote rule they (republicans) put in to specifically keep power but Palin is so unfavoured that Republicans picked her GOP opponent first choice and instead of her second choice enough picked a Democrat. Loved the little video of her not being happy about it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) So Trump had a load of empty folders that were labelled top secret. Seems perfectly normal Edited September 2, 2022 by DCJonah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted September 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2022 5 hours ago, DCJonah said: So Trump had a load of empty folders that were labelled top secret. Seems perfectly normal Everything else about him and his Cult members, I mean followers, I mean supporters seems normal so why wouldn't this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) On 02/09/2022 at 08:39, nick76 said: and wasn’t it due to the ranked vote rule they (republicans) put in to specifically keep power but Palin is so unfavoured that Republicans picked her GOP opponent first choice and instead of her second choice enough picked a Democrat. Loved the little video of her not being happy about it. Haha, couldn't happen to a more deserving scumbag. She's touting voter fraud again, like the Trumpian s**tbag she is. A pig without lipstick is still a swine. Maybe she'll buy Birmingham City? Edited September 8, 2022 by HKP90 typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 8, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 8, 2022 On 02/09/2022 at 22:55, DCJonah said: So Trump had a load of empty folders that were labelled top secret. Seems perfectly normal So where are the top secret documents that should be inside the folders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, blandy said: So where are the top secret documents that should be inside the folders? Oh' they were left in The Whitehouse for sure. He just liked the folders, had some interior design ideas for them or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 8, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, blandy said: So where are the top secret documents that should be inside the folders? Trump probably thought they were there because it's not like he read them anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, blandy said: So where are the top secret documents that should be inside the folders? The Kremlin? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 8, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, bickster said: Trump probably thought they were there because it's not like he read them anyway Being completely serious for a moment, that’s not how it works. Materiel which is classified above the relatively lower levels is all registered, with the document owner/keeper being listed, the precise location of the secure cabinet in which it is kept being listed, the copy number (there may be more than one copy), the reference number, number of pages, classification and so on all being listed in the register. Annual musters are carried out to check the document is exactly where it is supposed to be. Anyone removing the document or item from its secure cabinet has to sign it out to them in the register. So Trump has either returned the document to where it should be, but kept the empty folder, or he has still got the document, but not in its folder, or he has no longer got the document. Given that the feds were actively looking for the documents, it seems clear Trump hadn’t returned them to where they should be. So that just leaves 3 possibilities. Trump still has them, someone else has them, obtained from Trump, or they have been destroyed. If these documents are to be destroyed, there’s again a process, and their destruction certificate goes in the register. Clearly that’s not been done either. So what should happen with documents classified “confidential” (or above - secret, TS etc.) has very clearly not been adhered to. it’ll be intriguing to see what happens, because he’s seemingly massively broken the law and there’s seemingly missing, highly classified, data in the possession of persons unknown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted September 8, 2022 Administrator Share Posted September 8, 2022 59 minutes ago, blandy said: it’ll be intriguing to see what happens, because he’s seemingly massively broken the law and there’s seemingly missing, highly classified, data in the possession of persons unknown. Mush better is that the specific law he appears to have broken was created by him, because Hillary's email. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 8, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, limpid said: Mush better is that the specific law he appears to have broken was created by him, because Hillary's email. Is that right? I was thinking of the Espionage act (us equivalent of our OSA). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2022 Nothing will happen. The whole thing will be delayed and slowed down at every turn to the maximum extent, and the will to do anything about it will wain, until it gets dropped when Trump becomes an irrelevance/dies and the Republican Party can credibly shutter him off from their interests, which the powers that be will accept as a win. He looks bangs to rights, but there's so much else orbiting around him that to treat him like any normal criminal in this position is not going to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Self skewering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 8, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chindie said: Nothing will happen. The whole thing will be delayed and slowed down at every turn to the maximum extent, and the will to do anything about it will wain, until it gets dropped when Trump becomes an irrelevance/dies and the Republican Party can credibly shutter him off from their interests, which the powers that be will accept as a win. He looks bangs to rights, but there's so much else orbiting around him that to treat him like any normal criminal in this position is not going to happen. Yeah, there’s that, definitely. On the other hand it does appear that there’s been an egregious breach and the US is massively hot on that kind of thing. So that’s why I’m intrigued to see which impulse wins out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 1 hour ago, blandy said: Being completely serious for a moment, that’s not how it works. Materiel which is classified above the relatively lower levels is all registered, with the document owner/keeper being listed, the precise location of the secure cabinet in which it is kept being listed, the copy number (there may be more than one copy), the reference number, number of pages, classification and so on all being listed in the register. Annual musters are carried out to check the document is exactly where it is supposed to be. Anyone removing the document or item from its secure cabinet has to sign it out to them in the register. So Trump has either returned the document to where it should be, but kept the empty folder, or he has still got the document, but not in its folder, or he has no longer got the document. Given that the feds were actively looking for the documents, it seems clear Trump hadn’t returned them to where they should be. So that just leaves 3 possibilities. Trump still has them, someone else has them, obtained from Trump, or they have been destroyed. If these documents are to be destroyed, there’s again a process, and their destruction certificate goes in the register. Clearly that’s not been done either. So what should happen with documents classified “confidential” (or above - secret, TS etc.) has very clearly not been adhered to. it’ll be intriguing to see what happens, because he’s seemingly massively broken the law and there’s seemingly missing, highly classified, data in the possession of persons unknown. Perhaps this is the bargaining chip the authorities needed to prevent Trump from running for President again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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