MessiWillSignForVilla Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) It's just a stupid signing, when you've got better youngsters at U21 and U18 level why spend £500k on a complete no hoper from league 2 ? The development of others was sacrificed for Bowery Because Lambert and co really bought him thinking "Wow, this guys shit, he's not got anything that could one day make him a Premier League player, but how about we spunk £500k on him any way for shits and giggles?" It may have been a bad signing, but the scouting team must have seen something in him that would suggest it was worth a punt and that he's better than any of our U21 players. And as far as I'm aware, we don't really have any prospects up front do we? Maybe Drennan but as far as I'm aware his big breakthrough was last season in the NextGen series, after Bowery was signed. Edited February 17, 2014 by MessiWillSignForVilla 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepDish Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Not going to say any bad things about the person or player Bowery, but I think this is typical lottery signing. The odd signing every manager make once in a while to get a great name for recognising players nobody else have recognised if they succeed. O'Neill had a similar in Salifou. Wenger has had quite a few himself (can mention Huck, Obinna, Galli and a seemingly endless list). Eboue and Kolo Toure was the successful who helped Wenger in getting the reputation for having an eye for unknown and cheap players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Not going to say any bad things about the person or player Bowery, but I think this is typical lottery signing. The odd signing every manager make once in a while to get a great name for recognising players nobody else have recognised if they succeed. O'Neill had a similar in Salifou. Wenger has had quite a few himself (can mention Huck, Obinna, Galli and a seemingly endless list). Eboue and Kolo Toure was the successful who helped Wenger in getting the reputation for having an eye for unknown and cheap players. And surely those two (Eboue and Toure) more than paid for those those other signings? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Wenger's weird one was that South Korea striker he signed for 5m in 2011, Park's actually still there and on loan at Watford currently and he isn't even playing there. Now Bowery...he looks miles short for the top level. I didn't get the signing then and still don't. My opinion is when Lambert took over Gabby was injured and didn't play in the first 3 games. So Lambert scouted the lower leagues for cheap back up cover and somehow came up with Bowery who looks a bit like Gabby and can play out wide but obviously can't contribute with goals or assists. He came in for Gabby when he was injured v West Ham and Fulham, his best game was Stoke away last season. That's my theory anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I've got no problem with signing Bowery, I don't think he was 500k was he? More like 200k I thought? It was a gamble from maybe two matches he'd seen him play where it was noted he was massive and fast as ****. Nip in and grab him in case he scores 10 in his next 10 and suddenly it's a million. No great loss, no drama. Terrible, terrible footballer though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Yep can't believe the club sign players for the future. Who seriously wants to see the club bring in young players, give them a taste of the big time and then loan them out, and see if they can improve. So weird. You do realise that, unlike the other players signed from the lower leagues, he did nothing in the lower leagues to indicate that he would be one for the future?At that age all he had to do was show some potential. I'm not going to pretend I ever saw him play for Chesterfield, but clearly our scouts and manager saw some potential and we took a punt. Doesn't look like working out but it's hardly a big deal. With signings like that if 1 in 10 work out, it's decent business. It is a big deal when you haven't much money to spend as every failure signing is a hit in valuable finances. It's only not a big deal if you have plenty of money available to replace the duds. Then you can say the same about any "failed" signing (and Bowery has not failed yet, even if it looks likely), and no manager has a 100% success rate. With a small fee and low wages, Bowery is not going to take a large chunk of our budget. Every signing is a punt, some work and some don't. If you have a large budget you can afford the failures but when your budget is smaller you need more guarantees. Therefore, if signing someone from lower leagues you would hope that they had a good record there. Bowery didn't! As for selling for more money than we paid, I really can't see why that would happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers13 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Wenger's weird one was that South Korea striker he signed for 5m in 2011, Park's actually still there and on loan at Watford currently and he isn't even playing there. Now Bowery...he looks miles short for the top level. I didn't get the signing then and still don't. My opinion is when Lambert took over Gabby was injured and didn't play in the first 3 games. So Lambert scouted the lower leagues for cheap back up cover and somehow came up with Bowery who looks a bit like Gabby and can play out wide but obviously can't contribute with goals or assists. He came in for Gabby when he was injured v West Ham and Fulham, his best game was Stoke away last season. That's my theory anyway. They made all the money from the Korean striker fee back from shirt sales. That's what it was about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) Wenger's weird one was that South Korea striker he signed for 5m in 2011, Park's actually still there and on loan at Watford currently and he isn't even playing there. Now Bowery...he looks miles short for the top level. I didn't get the signing then and still don't. My opinion is when Lambert took over Gabby was injured and didn't play in the first 3 games. So Lambert scouted the lower leagues for cheap back up cover and somehow came up with Bowery who looks a bit like Gabby and can play out wide but obviously can't contribute with goals or assists. He came in for Gabby when he was injured v West Ham and Fulham, his best game was Stoke away last season. That's my theory anyway.They made all the money from the Korean striker fee back from shirt sales. That's what it was about. Not a chance. Clubs make a few quid per shirt sale, and barca and united sell the most peer season at just over 2m. Arsenal would've needed to sell about a million park jerseys to cover the fee Edited February 18, 2014 by P3te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIVillan Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 He was a gamble simple and it didnt work out so move on. David Platt and Neil Cox were two that have worked out for us, that Tennis Player from Grimsby didnt. He might have been signed to protect some of our youth players. He was an extra body when we needed it and meant our youth were not pushed in too soon. Anyway wish him luck and hope he does well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Not failed ? 18 apps 0 goals. Doesn't get much more like failure for a Nr 9 be shocked if he had more than 3 starts. but what can you expect when people call Kozak a failure 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) Aston Villa, the club where you get 12 months to prove you're world class or you are labelled complete ****! Edited February 18, 2014 by villan_007 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 It's just a stupid signing, when you've got better youngsters at U21 and U18 level why spend £500k on a complete no hoper from league 2 ? The development of others was sacrificed for Bowery Name 4, then tell me why they've been held back by bowery. I'll even give you you a free pass to google the 4 players. However I'm looking forward to the indepth analysis that you have of those players and why they didn't make the first team because of Bowery. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I'd say signing someone like Zat Knight when you had Cahill as a reserve was poorer management but we've gone round in circles on that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Haven't posted on the VT part of the forum in a while so I thought I'd use the opportunity to check in on Jordan Bowery. I genuinely had no idea he'd moved to Doncaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers13 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Not on my phone so I can't post the contents of the interview, maybe someone else could? http://m.southyorkshiretimes.co.uk/sport/local-sport/audio-aston-villa-loanee-jordan-bowery-determined-to-hang-on-to-his-doncaster-rovers-place-1-6453491 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Sounds unhappy with his time here to be honest, probably best for all parties if he leaves in the Summer as I doubt he'll be getting much game time in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers13 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Sounds unhappy with his time here to be honest, probably best for all parties if he leaves in the Summer as I doubt he'll be getting much game time in the future Hopefully he impresses, maybe get a little profit. On the off chance villa go down he could also be very useful Edited February 23, 2014 by Rovers13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) *wrong thread* Edited February 23, 2014 by P3te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted February 23, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2014 Let's not kid ourselves with talk of potential and hope. He's absolutely crap. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Sounds unhappy with his time here to be honest, probably best for all parties if he leaves in the Summer as I doubt he'll be getting much game time in the future agree, but i dont know what he's got to be unhappy about, got more of a chance than he deserved, probably earned a decent wage here doing it too, will now drop down to a level that higher than the one we picked him up from too disagree with those slating the signing, minimal risk, hasnt cost us much, judging by how some of the youngsters coming through have performed on loan its hard to claim he's held any of them back, now we move him on, like villachris says this isnt zat knight all over again, in the grand scheme of things he's insignificant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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