useless Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Teams give him loads of space because they know he's useless with the ball and we fall for it all the time and keep giving him the ball. From an attacking point of view it's like playing with ten men when he's in the side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 i dont think we purposely set out to mostly attack down his side - we look to go down the left as well. The difference is with bacuna on the left he looks to cut back inside quite often, and we end up bringing the ball back round and trying to work a different opening. Hutton gets the ball and just runs blindly down the wing, before floating a cross straight to the keeper. Can't fault the effort, but he doesn't think the game well enough - you see this defensively far too often. The goal today was again down to his poor positioning and then standing off basically inviting the shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 All he has is guts and determination. I think he's a weak link and would rather have Bacuna play at RB as he's wasted having him at LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted December 26, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 26, 2015 I wish we were a good enough team for Alan Hutton to be the weak link. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I think once Cissoko is back at LB, Bacuna needs to take Hutton's place at RB as he's far more capable of creating assists without losing out too much in defence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Huttinho his usual self today. Can't fault has effort, but he's not really good enough. However he can overcome some of his lack of quality because he fights, seems to care, he wants to win and will give it his best every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted December 27, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 27, 2015 1 hour ago, StanBalaban said: I think once Cissoko is back at LB, Bacuna needs to take Hutton's place at RB as he's far more capable of creating assists without losing out too much in defence. I hope not. Hutton's a much better full back than Bacuna in my opinion. For me, his name would be amongst the first three or four on the teamsheet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooJung Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: I hope not. Hutton's a much better full back than Bacuna in my opinion. For me, his name would be amongst the first three or four on the teamsheet. I'm not sure, with Bacuna I get the feeling that he is improving, something that won't happen with Hutton. One should also note that Hutton often finds himself in acres of space and wastes the cross 9/10. No other full back of ours ever finds that kind of space, so either Hutton is a genius at finding it, or other teams allow him more space because of how poor his crossing is. And defensively he's not really performing, is he? Bacuna has a great cross on him, i just checked and he got 5 assists in just 10 starts in the league last season. Sure, Beneteke was on fire, but he was getting excellent service. With a man like Gestede up top we really need good crosses in the box and he currently is the best player who can provide them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Bacuna has assists on him.. when hes on the right.. Hutton just wastes possession. Defensively not that much better than Bacuna anyway.. always getting caught out... giving pens or own goals. We need a new RB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Problem with Bacuna at right back is he gets a little too comfortable and sometimes goes out of position or loses his mind. At left back I feel he is trying to concentrate more as a result he is doing better in that position 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I think Bacuna would benefit from a run of games at right back. I prefer Bacuna anyway, but the argument used to be that Hutton is an experienced and better defender - unfortunately his defending seems to have gone to pot, he has cost us a lot of goals lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 11 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I hope not. Hutton's a much better full back than Bacuna in my opinion. For me, his name would be amongst the first three or four on the teamsheet. Whilst I agree that Hutton may be slightly more solid than Bacuna at RB, he just doesn't have it when it comes to being a creative force. We may concede more in certain matches with Bacuna there, but we'll almost certainly create more chances too. Plus I believe he's notched a few himself from that role in the past. Draws are nice and all, but simply paper over the crack of our plight. We need to win. We might as well lose trying to go for the win than pick up draws now. In fact, I'd be tempted to put Clark in at LB against Norwich just so Bacuna can replace Hutton at RB. Easy for me to tinker away from my armchair, but we need to be bold from here on in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post samjp26 Posted December 27, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) The argument of Bacuna getting himself out of position is based on Bacuna being too far forward at times. Personally I'd prefer this over Hutton's positioning, which really annoys me at times. Let me get my MNF on. Above you can see Hutton's positioning for the goal yesterday. When the back four shifts over towards the side of play it is expected that the fullback will tuck in slightly towards his CB, however here Hutton begins chasing back from the other side of the pitch because he has been following Okore. Look at the space that is gifted to Cresswell, who is a fullback himself. With no wide midfielders being played, it is simply suicide for Hutton to be dragged so far away from his position. We're actually outnumbering West Ham's players by 7 to 5, and the only West Ham play in any space is Cresswell. By the time Hutton has got himself back over to his side of the pitch it is too late, Cresswell is winding up a shot and Hutton is off balance, in no position to properly block a short or pass. Cresswell hasn't had to go past his man, he hasn't had to divert his run, he has literally ran straight forward and got a shot off. Should Hutton have been on his side of the pitch in the first place, he'd have been able to force Cresswell out wide, and we'd have been outnumbering their players in the box, decreasing the danger of a goal being scored. My problem here is that Hutton does this a lot, he stays very tight to his CB and never seems to stick to his position out wide in these situations, which gifts the fullback/winger a ridiculous amount of space when we aren't playing wide midfielders ourselves. Combined with the fact that his crosses are pretty impotent, I'd much rather have Bacuna playing at RB until we bring a fresh face in. Edited December 27, 2015 by samjp26 Finishing post 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted December 27, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 27, 2015 Good summary, Sam. I'd add that despite his poor positioning and his need to track back to cover, he never offered any resistance. Looking at your last screen grab, he could have covered closer to Cresswell to force him to beat him. Cresswell may have done so, but would either have been forced wide or back in towards our central defence, where he would have been outnumbered and unlikely to beat another (it is Cresswell after all). Instead, Hutton backed right off, gave him over 6 feet of space and time aplenty to shoot. That's shockingly poor defending. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 but Huttin wouldnt have to be in that position if Sanchez didnt come off injured, he would have slotted into gap between midfield and defence and allowed Hutton stay in his position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 There is also the question of who should have tracked Cresswell? Perhaps we could place part of the blame on the enforced change-Still not great defending though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 6 minutes ago, Zatman said: but Huttin wouldnt have to be in that position if Sanchez didnt come off injured, he would have slotted into gap between midfield and defence and allowed Hutton stay in his position I'd agree with you that Sanchez may have been some help, however Hutton has done this same thing time and time again. He pretty much always stays tight to his CB, regardless of the situation, rather than standing up to his man out wide. I guess it is just how he plays, however I think when we aren't playing anybody ahead of him out wide that can cover or trackback, it provides a huge problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 12 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I hope not. Hutton's a much better full back than Bacuna in my opinion. For me, his name would be amongst the first three or four on the teamsheet. Fook me, remind me all those games Bacuna has cost us at RB again over the last 2 years? He had a dodgy end of last season which cost him his cup final place but he still set up a lot of Benteke's goals. It's not like one's the new Cafu and the other is UDLC, the difference is minimal if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Bacuna is a better crosser of the ball than Hutton, and as Hutton, statistically, gets more crosses in than any other Villa player, then i would play Bacuna there. Have to say though watching the extended highlights, sometimes Westwood and Gana pass the buck by giving the ball to Hutton, they should take more responsibility themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I think we'd be a lot better if we let our full backs worry about defending first and foremost and play with a bit of width. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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